To borrow a phrase...OOF!  I can definitely understand and empathize.  I
had a an agency "lose" my paycheck for a month once upon a time.  Idiots.

Recruiters are in the same basket as used car salesmen for me.  At the end
of the day though recruiters can be a necessary evil.  More and more
companies I find like the "try before you buy" contract to hire option.


 - WJR


On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:12 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:

> **
> I'm sick of them. I went to an office once to start a contract, after
> resigning my old one, to find out it was actually an interview.
>
> I've seen them pull so many stunts it's unbelievable. I'm chasing one
> through the courts now for seven thousand pounds of unpaid wages.
>
> This week I mentioned I might not be able to extend my current contract
> unless they could negotiate a bit more remote working, to which the agent
> responded "leave it with us and we will try". Imagine my surprise to
> receive an email from a contractor friend asking why I had left my position
> and if I wanted to meet him for lunch to discuss a handover strategy!
>
> I would give my right arm for companies to deal with me directly.
> Recruitment agents require a new circle of Hell to be put on Satan's next
> yearly budget.
>
>
> Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email
> RELIABLY
> ------------------------------
> *From: * William Robbins <[email protected]>
> *Sender: * [email protected]
> *Date: *Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:04:42 -0500
> *To: *<[email protected]>
> *ReplyTo: * [email protected]
> *Subject: *Re: [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette
>
> BTDT.  Recently actually.  I had a recruiter lie to me about a contract.
> (Found that out later, he was fired, but that didn't help me in the end)
>
> Recruiter told me, in writing it was a contract to hire position.  I got
> an email from the client I was working at on a Wednesday that Friday would
> be my last day, and to please turn in my badge and equipment. (Nice, huh?)
>
> When I brought up what I had been led to believe and the sole reason I
> left a current FTE position I was told that this was never to be anything
> more than a 90 day contract.  Which I never would have accepted over my
> current FTE position.  I've mostly recovered, but as you say I wish
> ill-will towards lying recruiters.
>
>
>  - WJR
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:15 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> **
>> There isn't any loyalty around anywhere. I've just spent three hours
>> dealing with lying, conniving recruitment agents - they should all be
>> exterminated.
>>
>> Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email
>> RELIABLY
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: * William Robbins <[email protected]>
>> *Sender: * [email protected]
>> *Date: *Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:12:47 -0500
>> *To: *<[email protected]>
>> *ReplyTo: * [email protected]
>> *Subject: *Re: [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette
>>
>> My advice:  Say nothing to current employers, ever.  Especially in a
>> situation where they won't commit to converting you to an FTE.
>>
>> *After* you get an offer, in writing, from new place then you meet with
>> your current manager and explain that you had hoped to have been converted
>> to an FTE by now, but since they haven't you are left to assume your
>> position there is tenuous at best and you have found a new opportunity that
>> serves your best interest long term.
>>
>> 2 weeks is fairly standard IME.  Finishing up projects is well
>> intentioned and all, but honestly not your responsibility once you've made
>> a commitment to the new firm.
>>
>> I understand your sense of loyalty, but bear in mind they haven't exactly
>> been loyal to you.  Companies aren't people, no matter what the .gov says.
>> Companies look out for no one...IMHO.
>>
>>
>>  - WJR
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Don Kuhlman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Morning all.  Just curious as to thoughts from some colleagues in the
>>> field.
>>>
>>> Say you were in a job as a contractor at a smaller firm, and the job was
>>> supposed to convert to full time in a few months, but that didn't happen.
>>>  However, your contract is extended several times so you are still at the
>>> position.  it may end in 6 months after being extended 18. The people at
>>> the place are really great and the environment is laid back and casual with
>>> very low stress.
>>>
>>> So you keep your options open and along comes what may be a very good
>>> opportunity with a large well established place that is insourcing and
>>> building a new team right in your preferred geography.  It is also a 6
>>> month contract to start out, but the company wants to make it permanent
>>> based on all information given.
>>>
>>> Do you share with your current gig that you are checking into this?
>>>
>>> Or if you don't share the info, and you get the offer, how do you tell
>>> your current gig so as not to burn any bridges?
>>>
>>> And if the new gig was a go, they want an immediate start time (within 2
>>> weeks) because their outsourced people doing the support are going to be
>>> gone in that time.  However, you are working on finishing up projects for
>>> the current gig.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Don K
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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