Just sucks when potential employers haven't done due diligence and have signed an onerous contract that prevents this kind of dialogue...
On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Andrew S. Baker <[email protected]> wrote: > This is sometimes true in the US as well. It really just depends on the > specifics. I always seek to develop a direct relationship to mitigate my > personal risk. > > > > > > *ASB > **http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* <http://xeeme.com/AndrewBaker>* > **Providing Virtual CIO Services (IT Operations & Information Security) > for the SMB market…*** > > > > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Ken Schaefer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Interesting & good to know.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> In Australia, you deal with the end company (i.e. you will interview with >> the recruiter, but then you’ll interview with the company direct). The >> recruiter isn’t involved once your hired. Gives you plenty of opportunity >> to ask whatever you need to the client direct.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Cheers**** >> >> Ken**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *[email protected] >> *Sent:* Thursday, 20 June 2013 1:13 AM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I'm sick of them. I went to an office once to start a contract, after >> resigning my old one, to find out it was actually an interview. >> >> I've seen them pull so many stunts it's unbelievable. I'm chasing one >> through the courts now for seven thousand pounds of unpaid wages. >> >> This week I mentioned I might not be able to extend my current contract >> unless they could negotiate a bit more remote working, to which the agent >> responded "leave it with us and we will try". Imagine my surprise to >> receive an email from a contractor friend asking why I had left my position >> and if I wanted to meet him for lunch to discuss a handover strategy! >> >> I would give my right arm for companies to deal with me directly. >> Recruitment agents require a new circle of Hell to be put on Satan's next >> yearly budget.**** >> >> Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email >> RELIABLY**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *William Robbins <[email protected]> **** >> >> *Sender: *[email protected]**** >> >> *Date: *Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:04:42 -0500**** >> >> *To: *<[email protected]>**** >> >> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] **** >> >> *Subject: *Re: [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette**** >> >> ** ** >> >> BTDT. Recently actually. I had a recruiter lie to me about a contract. >> (Found that out later, he was fired, but that didn't help me in the end) >> **** >> >> Recruiter told me, in writing it was a contract to hire position. I got >> an email from the client I was working at on a Wednesday that Friday would >> be my last day, and to please turn in my badge and equipment. (Nice, huh?) >> **** >> >> When I brought up what I had been led to believe and the sole reason I >> left a current FTE position I was told that this was never to be anything >> more than a 90 day contract. Which I never would have accepted over my >> current FTE position. I've mostly recovered, but as you say I wish >> ill-will towards lying recruiters.**** >> >> >> **** >> >> >> - WJR**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:15 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:**** >> >> There isn't any loyalty around anywhere. I've just spent three hours >> dealing with lying, conniving recruitment agents - they should all be >> exterminated.**** >> >> Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email >> RELIABLY**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From: *William Robbins <[email protected]> **** >> >> *Sender: *[email protected]**** >> >> *Date: *Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:12:47 -0500**** >> >> *To: *<[email protected]>**** >> >> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] **** >> >> *Subject: *Re: [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette**** >> >> ** ** >> >> My advice: Say nothing to current employers, ever. Especially in a >> situation where they won't commit to converting you to an FTE.**** >> >> *After* you get an offer, in writing, from new place then you meet with >> your current manager and explain that you had hoped to have been converted >> to an FTE by now, but since they haven't you are left to assume your >> position there is tenuous at best and you have found a new opportunity that >> serves your best interest long term.**** >> >> 2 weeks is fairly standard IME. Finishing up projects is well >> intentioned and all, but honestly not your responsibility once you've made >> a commitment to the new firm.**** >> >> I understand your sense of loyalty, but bear in mind they haven't exactly >> been loyal to you. Companies aren't people, no matter what the .gov says. >> Companies look out for no one...IMHO.**** >> >> >> **** >> >> >> - WJR**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Don Kuhlman <[email protected]> wrote: >> **** >> >> Morning all. Just curious as to thoughts from some colleagues in the >> field.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Say you were in a job as a contractor at a smaller firm, and the job was >> supposed to convert to full time in a few months, but that didn't happen. >> However, your contract is extended several times so you are still at the >> position. it may end in 6 months after being extended 18. The people at >> the place are really great and the environment is laid back and casual with >> very low stress.**** >> >> >> So you keep your options open and along comes what may be a very good >> opportunity with a large well established place that is insourcing and >> building a new team right in your preferred geography. It is also a 6 >> month contract to start out, but the company wants to make it permanent >> based on all information given.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Do you share with your current gig that you are checking into this?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Or if you don't share the info, and you get the offer, how do you tell >> your current gig so as not to burn any bridges?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> And if the new gig was a go, they want an immediate start time (within 2 >> weeks) because their outsourced people doing the support are going to be >> gone in that time. However, you are working on finishing up projects for >> the current gig.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Any thoughts appreciated.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Don K**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> > >
