Interesting & good to know. In Australia, you deal with the end company (i.e. you will interview with the recruiter, but then you'll interview with the company direct). The recruiter isn't involved once your hired. Gives you plenty of opportunity to ask whatever you need to the client direct.
Cheers Ken From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 1:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette I'm sick of them. I went to an office once to start a contract, after resigning my old one, to find out it was actually an interview. I've seen them pull so many stunts it's unbelievable. I'm chasing one through the courts now for seven thousand pounds of unpaid wages. This week I mentioned I might not be able to extend my current contract unless they could negotiate a bit more remote working, to which the agent responded "leave it with us and we will try". Imagine my surprise to receive an email from a contractor friend asking why I had left my position and if I wanted to meet him for lunch to discuss a handover strategy! I would give my right arm for companies to deal with me directly. Recruitment agents require a new circle of Hell to be put on Satan's next yearly budget. Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY ________________________________ From: William Robbins <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 10:04:42 -0500 To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette BTDT. Recently actually. I had a recruiter lie to me about a contract. (Found that out later, he was fired, but that didn't help me in the end) Recruiter told me, in writing it was a contract to hire position. I got an email from the client I was working at on a Wednesday that Friday would be my last day, and to please turn in my badge and equipment. (Nice, huh?) When I brought up what I had been led to believe and the sole reason I left a current FTE position I was told that this was never to be anything more than a 90 day contract. Which I never would have accepted over my current FTE position. I've mostly recovered, but as you say I wish ill-will towards lying recruiters. - WJR On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:15 AM, <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: There isn't any loyalty around anywhere. I've just spent three hours dealing with lying, conniving recruitment agents - they should all be exterminated. Sent from my Blackberry, which may be an antique but delivers email RELIABLY ________________________________ From: William Robbins <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sender: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 09:12:47 -0500 To: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> ReplyTo: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NTSysADM] OT - tips on job change etiquette My advice: Say nothing to current employers, ever. Especially in a situation where they won't commit to converting you to an FTE. After you get an offer, in writing, from new place then you meet with your current manager and explain that you had hoped to have been converted to an FTE by now, but since they haven't you are left to assume your position there is tenuous at best and you have found a new opportunity that serves your best interest long term. 2 weeks is fairly standard IME. Finishing up projects is well intentioned and all, but honestly not your responsibility once you've made a commitment to the new firm. I understand your sense of loyalty, but bear in mind they haven't exactly been loyal to you. Companies aren't people, no matter what the .gov says. Companies look out for no one...IMHO. - WJR On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Don Kuhlman <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Morning all. Just curious as to thoughts from some colleagues in the field. Say you were in a job as a contractor at a smaller firm, and the job was supposed to convert to full time in a few months, but that didn't happen. However, your contract is extended several times so you are still at the position. it may end in 6 months after being extended 18. The people at the place are really great and the environment is laid back and casual with very low stress. So you keep your options open and along comes what may be a very good opportunity with a large well established place that is insourcing and building a new team right in your preferred geography. It is also a 6 month contract to start out, but the company wants to make it permanent based on all information given. Do you share with your current gig that you are checking into this? Or if you don't share the info, and you get the offer, how do you tell your current gig so as not to burn any bridges? And if the new gig was a go, they want an immediate start time (within 2 weeks) because their outsourced people doing the support are going to be gone in that time. However, you are working on finishing up projects for the current gig. Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks Don K
