I've been in the computer field for nearly 50 years. Before there were "certs", there was a general shortage of computer people, not to mention "experienced" people. Back then, I had friends changing jobs every 3 to 6 months to get very nice pay increases. The law of supply and demand ultimately catches up, and now the computer field is somewhat over crowded. So, you have a choice. Do you want to make more money, or do you want to enjoy your job? Titles are meaningless anyway. Studies have confirmed that most people don't consider themselves underpaid until they stop enjoying their job. In talking to friends, relatives and co-workers, the great majority would quit their job if they won the lottery or inherited a fortune. Nuff said! Murray _____
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 2:07 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Morale killer... I have seen that trend these days, that they are using certifications as a weeding out process, and folks that are truly qualified for positions, can't get to them, because they don't have that cert. But sometimes no matter what you do, you can't convince someone that you are ready for the next level, even when you have been doing that work for quite some time, because there are forces at work, that you have not been made aware of for political/business reasons. I agree when it comes down to that then there is a lot of reason for frustration. Best advice is to focus on your skill set, enhance it and plan your next moves wisely. Z Edward E. Ziots CISSP, Network +, Security + Network Engineer Lifespan Organization Email:[email protected] Cell:401-639-3505 From: My New Display Name for Bob. :) [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 3:02 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Morale killer... An A+?!?! For a senior person?!? I'd run away. I've never had an A+ in my 15 years nor do I have a current MCanything. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _____ From: Sean Martin <[email protected]> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:47:28 -0900 To: NT System Admin Issues<[email protected]> ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Morale killer... David, These types of scenarios can definitely be frustrating. Especially when it's acknowledged that you're qualified for the position. I don't mean to sound like I'm trying to one up you or anything, but I find myself in a similar predicament. I've been in the field almost as long as you, and with my current employer going on 10 years. I've been told for the past year (or longer) that I am more than qualified to be promoted to a Senior Analyst position. On top of that, I already have the same level of responsbilities, project load, attend the same meetings, etc. as the existing Senior Analysts. However, my manager (or their boss) wants to see an updated certification. My MCP, MCP+I and MCSE are all from NT4 and my CCA is from Presentation server 4. They'd like to see an MCITP level cert. This frustrates me because I'm handling the workload of a senior analyst,my vacation requests are scrutinized because of their lack of providing cross-training opportunities leaves me the ony resident "expert" on a number of key systems, yet I can't "officially" handle the new title until I obtain a new cert. With all of that said, they've clearly outlined to me what it will take to be promoted and I have yet to meet those requirements. In the end, I have no one else to blame but myself. I'll admit that my family life takes presedence over my desire to study. Of course the recent straw that is about to break the camels back is the fact that they recently added an A+ cert to my list of existing training requirements....but anyway, I digress. If it's not clear to you what is required to be promoted, ask for clarification. If you feel that the requirements don't warrant the results, it may be time to start looking for other opportunities. - Sean On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:51 AM, David Lum <[email protected]> wrote: vent mode:on I asked for a promotion to Sr. Systems Engineer but I have been denied. Talking to my boss she feels I am qualified but her boss disagrees not because I dont fit the roles and skill set of a Sr. SE as listed in our job description, but because she wants to see more broad scoped project proposals. Yeah sorry that my evaluation of products used across the enterprise for encrypting our laptops (chose PGP), remote access (went with RDS), 3rd party patching (Shavlik), and then doing the work of standing up the servers and installing configuring, deploying and then handing off of said items all in the last 12 months isnt broad enough Youre really great at what you do and you meet the job description but its not enough, sorry. Some of you guys can relate, right? Ive only been doing IT professionally for 16 yearsand admin-y stuff for 12 of that. 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