Thanks for mentioning that Thorsten! I'm trying to represent the market segment that uses nuke, but doesn't use the X features, or even some of the regular features. We comped a giant still frame in nuke as well, for a client. It was way better than photoshop, but if you look at the price difference between them, i'm not sure it was *that* much better than photoshop! photoshop is $50 a month...
Someone mentioned the cost of RnD, which i think is valid. But that really makes me wonder how much of the money from nuke and hiero actually goes into developing those products and how much goes into acquiring products that aren't directly related. For example, is our maintenance money going back into helping make nuke/hiero a better product for users like us? or is it going in to an acquisition or licensing deals (katana, flix, and now Mischief)? I understand that that might indirectly help nuke, but i'm not sure that we're seeing the effects of that. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Thorsten Kaufmann < [email protected]> wrote: > Keep in mind that there is other things than VFX being done with nuke. > We are doing some print production as well as a lot of still image product > configurator > > work with nuke. No need for any of the X only features for the bigger part > of our nuke pipeline. > > > > Cheers, > > Thorsten > > > > --- > Thorsten Kaufmann > Production Pipeline Architect > > Mackevision Medien Design GmbH > Forststraße 7 > 70174 Stuttgart > > T +49 711 93 30 48 606 > F +49 711 93 30 48 90 > M +49 151 19 55 55 02 > > [email protected] > www.mackevision.de > > Geschäftsführer: Armin Pohl, Joachim Lincke, Karin Suttheimer > HRB 243735 Amtsgericht Stuttgart > > --- > *MACKEVISION SHOWREEL:* Out now! <http://vimeo.com/107581393> > *VFX:* Game of Thrones, Season 4 – VFX making of reel > <http://vimeo.com/100095868>. > * REFERENZEN:* Mackevision inszeniert den Porsche Macan > <http://www.mackevision.de/black_world.html#/project/147>. > > *Von:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *Im Auftrag von *Ron Ganbar > *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 16. November 2014 14:59 > > *An:* Nuke user discussion > *Betreff:* Re: [Nuke-users] Does the Nuke X product make sense? > > > > With everyone else dropping prices, it seems that The Foundry are the only > ones raising it. > > > > I would say that if, even for a CG house like Doug mentioned before, Nuke > will come with all the NukeX features, all of a sudden having that Particle > Generator will be a plus. NukeX is useful for all, just too expensive. > > > > > Ron Ganbar > email: [email protected] > tel: +44 (0)7968 007 309 [UK] > +972 (0)54 255 9765 [Israel] > url: http://ronganbar.wordpress.com/ > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Thorsten Kaufmann < > [email protected]> wrote: > > I agree with Doug. The way features are split seems kind of weird and we > too would be in trouble i fit where for a more expensive Nuke (no more X). > > We also split and recently actually traded in NukeX lics for Nuke lics > because of the maintenance fees. > > We do quite some work that can only be done in nuke (mainly due to > complexity and the lack of multichannel workflow in other apps) but > > for the more general VFX and Project work it is sometimes hard to justify. > > > > Cheers, > > Thorsten > > > > --- > Thorsten Kaufmann > Production Pipeline Architect > > Mackevision Medien Design GmbH > Forststraße 7 > 70174 Stuttgart > > T +49 711 93 30 48 606 > F +49 711 93 30 48 90 > M +49 151 19 55 55 02 > > [email protected] > www.mackevision.de > > Geschäftsführer: Armin Pohl, Joachim Lincke, Karin Suttheimer > HRB 243735 Amtsgericht Stuttgart > > --- > *MACKEVISION SHOWREEL:* Out now! <http://vimeo.com/107581393> > *VFX:* Game of Thrones, Season 4 – VFX making of reel > <http://vimeo.com/100095868>. > * REFERENZEN:* Mackevision inszeniert den Porsche Macan > <http://www.mackevision.de/black_world.html#/project/147>. > > *Von:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *Im Auftrag von *Ron Ganbar > *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 16. November 2014 10:45 > *An:* Nuke user discussion > *Betreff:* Re: [Nuke-users] Does the Nuke X product make sense? > > > > I tend to agree with the general notion of this thread. > > > > 1. The product line is over complicated. Nuke (that has the NukeX > features) and Nuke Studio are enough. > 2. Times have changed and VFX packages have a lower price point > nowadays. $4,800 and $7,500 respectively should be enough, hopefully. > > And again, it's not that I don't appreciate the amount of work it takes > to create this wonderful software - but there must be a way to tighten the > price gap. > > It's not that I think that Fusion or AE are comparable to Nuke in > capabilities, but the price gap makes it difficult to persuade more studios > to bite. > > > > > Ron Ganbar > email: [email protected] > tel: +44 (0)7968 007 309 [UK] > +972 (0)54 255 9765 [Israel] > url: http://ronganbar.wordpress.com/ > > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Doug Wilkinson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Something like that would force companies that don't use nukeX to switch. > I think that would be bad. we have almost 15 seats of nuke, but only 2 > nukex and to be honest hardly use them. We don't comp live action... just > full cg character stuff. thats probably why. > > > > For us, we have asked for a lower cost and actually LESS powerful > version. I think the only option is to lower prices to maintain market > share. if your product is very popular and very premium you are inviting > in the little guy to undercut you. Not sure whats best for the foundry, > but i think we have to also think about whats best for the industry as well. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:45 PM, adam jones <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yep I agree > > one version of nuke so nukeX at $5000 US plus yearly $1000 maintenance and > Nuke Studio at the $7500 US plus yearly $1000 maintenance along with 2 > render node free with each seat of nuke or NS > > -adam > > > > On 16/11/2014, at 7:33 AM, Jacek Skrobisz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I agree with that. > > > > Low budget era... > > > > When you see prices: > > Autodesk Smoke ~ 2000 / year > > Adobe Cloud ~ 800 / year > > NukeX > 1000 / year + start cost > > > > Then you must rethink something… > > > > > > Jacenty. > > > > > >> On 2014lis15, at 15:52, Howard Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Take it all down to $2000 ;) > >> > >> But I agree I know there's a massive cost to the r and d, but we have > to limit those nukex purchases as they are just too expensive. > >> > >> Hiero is imho well over priced still too. > >> > >> Howard > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nuke-users mailing list > > [email protected], http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ > > http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users > > _______________________________________________ > Nuke-users mailing list > [email protected], http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ > http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nuke-users mailing list > [email protected], http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ > http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nuke-users mailing list > [email protected], http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ > http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nuke-users mailing list > [email protected], http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ > http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users >
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