Doug look into conduit plug in for photoshop. It might be better for stills while giving you nodes in ps. GPU accelerated nodes On Nov 16, 2014 3:37 PM, "Doug Wilkinson" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for mentioning that Thorsten! I'm trying to represent the market > segment that uses nuke, but doesn't use the X features, or even some of the > regular features. We comped a giant still frame in nuke as well, for a > client. It was way better than photoshop, but if you look at the price > difference between them, i'm not sure it was *that* much better than > photoshop! photoshop is $50 a month... > > Someone mentioned the cost of RnD, which i think is valid. But that > really makes me wonder how much of the money from nuke and hiero actually > goes into developing those products and how much goes into acquiring > products that aren't directly related. For example, is our maintenance > money going back into helping make nuke/hiero a better product for users > like us? or is it going in to an acquisition or licensing deals (katana, > flix, and now Mischief)? I understand that that might indirectly help > nuke, but i'm not sure that we're seeing the effects of that. > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Thorsten Kaufmann < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Keep in mind that there is other things than VFX being done with nuke. >> We are doing some print production as well as a lot of still image product >> configurator >> >> work with nuke. No need for any of the X only features for the bigger >> part of our nuke pipeline. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Thorsten >> >> >> >> --- >> Thorsten Kaufmann >> Production Pipeline Architect >> >> Mackevision Medien Design GmbH >> Forststraße 7 >> 70174 Stuttgart >> >> T +49 711 93 30 48 606 >> F +49 711 93 30 48 90 >> M +49 151 19 55 55 02 >> >> [email protected] >> www.mackevision.de >> >> Geschäftsführer: Armin Pohl, Joachim Lincke, Karin Suttheimer >> HRB 243735 Amtsgericht Stuttgart >> >> --- >> *MACKEVISION SHOWREEL:* Out now! <http://vimeo.com/107581393> >> *VFX:* Game of Thrones, Season 4 – VFX making of reel >> <http://vimeo.com/100095868>. >> * REFERENZEN:* Mackevision inszeniert den Porsche Macan >> <http://www.mackevision.de/black_world.html#/project/147>. >> >> *Von:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *Im Auftrag von *Ron Ganbar >> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 16. November 2014 14:59 >> >> *An:* Nuke user discussion >> *Betreff:* Re: [Nuke-users] Does the Nuke X product make sense? >> >> >> >> With everyone else dropping prices, it seems that The Foundry are the >> only ones raising it. >> >> >> >> I would say that if, even for a CG house like Doug mentioned before, Nuke >> will come with all the NukeX features, all of a sudden having that Particle >> Generator will be a plus. NukeX is useful for all, just too expensive. >> >> >> >> >> Ron Ganbar >> email: [email protected] >> tel: +44 (0)7968 007 309 [UK] >> +972 (0)54 255 9765 [Israel] >> url: http://ronganbar.wordpress.com/ >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Thorsten Kaufmann < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> I agree with Doug. The way features are split seems kind of weird and we >> too would be in trouble i fit where for a more expensive Nuke (no more X). >> >> We also split and recently actually traded in NukeX lics for Nuke lics >> because of the maintenance fees. >> >> We do quite some work that can only be done in nuke (mainly due to >> complexity and the lack of multichannel workflow in other apps) but >> >> for the more general VFX and Project work it is sometimes hard to justify. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Thorsten >> >> >> >> --- >> Thorsten Kaufmann >> Production Pipeline Architect >> >> Mackevision Medien Design GmbH >> Forststraße 7 >> 70174 Stuttgart >> >> T +49 711 93 30 48 606 >> F +49 711 93 30 48 90 >> M +49 151 19 55 55 02 >> >> [email protected] >> www.mackevision.de >> >> Geschäftsführer: Armin Pohl, Joachim Lincke, Karin Suttheimer >> HRB 243735 Amtsgericht Stuttgart >> >> --- >> *MACKEVISION SHOWREEL:* Out now! <http://vimeo.com/107581393> >> *VFX:* Game of Thrones, Season 4 – VFX making of reel >> <http://vimeo.com/100095868>. >> * REFERENZEN:* Mackevision inszeniert den Porsche Macan >> <http://www.mackevision.de/black_world.html#/project/147>. >> >> *Von:* [email protected] [mailto: >> [email protected]] *Im Auftrag von *Ron Ganbar >> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 16. November 2014 10:45 >> *An:* Nuke user discussion >> *Betreff:* Re: [Nuke-users] Does the Nuke X product make sense? >> >> >> >> I tend to agree with the general notion of this thread. >> >> >> >> 1. The product line is over complicated. Nuke (that has the NukeX >> features) and Nuke Studio are enough. >> 2. Times have changed and VFX packages have a lower price point >> nowadays. $4,800 and $7,500 respectively should be enough, hopefully. >> >> And again, it's not that I don't appreciate the amount of work it takes >> to create this wonderful software - but there must be a way to tighten the >> price gap. >> >> It's not that I think that Fusion or AE are comparable to Nuke in >> capabilities, but the price gap makes it difficult to persuade more studios >> to bite. >> >> >> >> >> Ron Ganbar >> email: [email protected] >> tel: +44 (0)7968 007 309 [UK] >> +972 (0)54 255 9765 [Israel] >> url: http://ronganbar.wordpress.com/ >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Doug Wilkinson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Something like that would force companies that don't use nukeX to >> switch. I think that would be bad. we have almost 15 seats of nuke, but >> only 2 nukex and to be honest hardly use them. We don't comp live >> action... just full cg character stuff. thats probably why. >> >> >> >> For us, we have asked for a lower cost and actually LESS powerful >> version. I think the only option is to lower prices to maintain market >> share. if your product is very popular and very premium you are inviting >> in the little guy to undercut you. Not sure whats best for the foundry, >> but i think we have to also think about whats best for the industry as well. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 1:45 PM, adam jones <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Yep I agree >> >> one version of nuke so nukeX at $5000 US plus yearly $1000 maintenance >> and Nuke Studio at the $7500 US plus yearly $1000 maintenance along with 2 >> render node free with each seat of nuke or NS >> >> -adam >> >> >> >> On 16/11/2014, at 7:33 AM, Jacek Skrobisz <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I agree with that. >> > >> > Low budget era... >> > >> > When you see prices: >> > Autodesk Smoke ~ 2000 / year >> > Adobe Cloud ~ 800 / year >> > NukeX > 1000 / year + start cost >> > >> > Then you must rethink something… >> > >> > >> > Jacenty. >> > >> > >> >> On 2014lis15, at 15:52, Howard Jones <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> Take it all down to $2000 ;) >> >> >> >> But I agree I know there's a massive cost to the r and d, but we have >> to limit those nukex purchases as they are just too expensive. >> >> >> >> Hiero is imho well over priced still too. >> >> >> >> Howard >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Nuke-users mailing list >> > [email protected], http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ >> > http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nuke-users mailing list >> [email protected], http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ >> http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nuke-users mailing list >> [email protected], http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ >> http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nuke-users mailing list >> [email protected], http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ >> http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Nuke-users mailing list >> [email protected], http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ >> http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Nuke-users mailing list > [email protected], http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ > http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users >
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