Dennis, I understand your position. Its not a new one. Keith and I reached the same conclusion during the transition from CAB to OGB.
HOWEVER, I have never believed we should simply throw our hands up in the air and roll over to die. My track-record has been clear: I would gladly reach out in vain and look rediculous doing so than standing by idle and doing nothing. Frankly the OGB to date has been a useless body that (due to some of its members) have actively opposed any action on the part of the community and pushed back on any pressure applied to the OGB Facilitator. Back to the point.... OpenSolaris is a product of the Indiana, IPS, Distro, ON and other communities. The folks who are involved in closing the releases (Dr. Hahn, David Comay, and David Miner chiefly) are here in CG's. If the OpenSolaris project truly has absolutely no communication with those CG's then lets know that now. Oracle may not be talking, but they are watching! We must act! If Oracle does kill portions of the already bloodied OpenSolaris project they will support that decision by pointing to a community that didn't care, or participate, or reach out. You know a body is dead when it stops moving.... we can't stop moving. The delays in OpenSolaris 2010.03 are a sufficient reason to twitch. benr. On 4/13/10 10:09 AM, Dennis Clarke wrote: >> I appeal to the board for information regarding OpenSolaris 2010.03 >> and the development model of Indiana. >> >> We've all wanted great clarity from Oracle ... >> > <snip> > > Dear Ben : > > I won't mince words. > > I think that people are very slowly starting to figure out where they > stand. You can't tell them. You can't show them. It is sad to watch people > asking about some OpenSolaris(tm) release called 2010.03 when we are well > into April now. > > The OpenSolaris project as a whole was a very nice idea under the old Sun > management but it serves no useful purpose under Oracle(tm). Under Sun > there was an OGB made up almost entirely of internal Sun people and it was > clear that the process was 90% internal with little or no real > contributions from the outside. Under Oracle I see zero contributions thus > far. Zero actions of real merit that befits a multi-billion dollar sponsor > of an open source project. I'm simply making observations here based on > what I have seen. I have been involved in "Open Solaris" since before day > zero of the pilot project. So has one other OGB member, Jörg Schilling. I > can not speak for Jörg but I will say this, the OGB seems to be too polite > to speak up. I am not. > > Quite frankly, this is a year too late, but someone needs to say the > bloody obvious. We owe it to people like Ian Murdoch and Jonathan Schwartz > for bringing UNIX(tm) back into the open. At least in concept it was > looking pretty good. Well, my first responsibility is to the community. > > The OpenSolaris(tm) project is on life support. Or dead already. > > We are all gathered around the still warm body poking the toes and asking > questions. Questions about 2010.03 mean little at this point. The > *community* probably needs to fork in order to protect the enormous open > source assets that were made available by Sun. > > This is probably what Oracle would want. I can not think that Oracle > Corporation would be so entirely absent of purpose and bereft of public > plan by accident. If I were to simply look at the bottom line, the one > that says "retained equity for the shareholder" then I'd would also think > "get rid of this". > > Personally I am all for a fork at the genunix site. We already have > community documents there, the OGB and wiki docs are there for years and > it delivers more downloads to the world than anywhere else. Blastwave(tm) > holds its primary Solaris package download mirror there which also pushes > to secondarys in Beijing, Japan, inside Oracle, and elsewhere. > > If we need to hold a wake then fine. If we are waiting for a Lazarus > effect then that is not so fine. People need to take actions that have > merit and I am not one for sitting on my hands while people stand around > looking for leadership. > > There, I have spoken plainly. > > _______________________________________________ ogb-discuss mailing list ogb-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/ogb-discuss
