Ben Rockwood <b...@cuddletech.com> wrote:
> On 4/13/10 11:25 AM, Octave Orgeron wrote:
> > I totally agree. The OGB needs to make a stand on this. Either we get
> > answers from Oracle or the OGB needs to separate the OpenSolaris Community
> > from Oracle and be truly autonomous. That means we get the development of
> > OpenSolaris completely out in the open and let the community run it, not
> > Oracle. While I would like to believe that Oracle is just unsure of how to
> > handle the OpenSolaris community, they've had plenty of time to think these
> > things over before the acquisition completed. It's not like Oracle wasn't
> > already calling the shots beforehand inside Sun anyways.
>
> Here is where I want to be careful. Asking for autonomy at this
> juncture would be very foolish I think. If they grant it, they will
> essentially expect us to fork and re-establish the community without
> Sun/Oracle resources. That means the website goes, communication is
> severed, employees are instructed not to putback to the autonomous
> codebase, etc. I think it would go very very badly and we'd essentially
> help kill the community.
Comparing the current situation with the conflict escalation gauge from
"Friedrich Glasl" shows that we are still at level 3 in a scale from 1..9.
We (the community and Oracle) are still both winners, but we are close to the
first important break. A break that usually cannot be rewound. This is why I
believe that we need to be careful with out actions.
We however should however not ignore the current situation and thus be
prepared to fork in case this is needed. Once we do this, we most likely will
harm us and Oracle, so our goal should not be a fork but a much better
collaboration and collaboration means being open and giving information.
> The size of the community at present is pretty small and relatively
> inactive. Support for Nexenta, Belenix, etc, is orders of magnitude
> less so. These projects are productive and active, but the numbers are
> tiny compared to the official community. Add it all up and I think we
> have little reason to think that an autonomous community would really
> have any real support unless we get a sudden and massive influx of
> contributing developers. So it is, imho, a non-starter.
Agreed (see above).
> The point I'm making is not that we bang on Oracle's door... but rather
> that we bang on the door of our own community groups. For the OGB to
> request an update from the Indiana CG for a report concerning the
> delays. Thus trying to prove that we are in some way self regulating.
OK, so let us try to find out whom to talk to....do you think about talking to
Dr. Hahn, David Comay, and David Miner (the people you mentioned in a previous
mail?
> Think about it. Who at Oracle would answer us? Some PR person? A
> marketing person? John Fowler? The engineers are members of the
> OpenSolaris community and leaders in our CG's. We should get answers
> from them, from within. And, conversely, Oracle should speak to us
> through our own ranks.
I am still in hope that the important people at Oracle will realize early
enough that they cause harm to the future of Oracle if they continue to ignore
us.
My impression is that Oracle currently only introduces changes that are the
obvious results from ideas of business economics. If you do this at a low
level, you may fine-adjust the revenues of a company. If you do a coarse adjust
at this level (as curently done by Oracle), this will usually harm the company.
Oracle needs to understand why people buy Sun products and adjust the Oracle
rules to match this. This is why I believe that Oracle needs us (the community)
in order to turn Sun into a successful business again.
Jörg
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