On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Sixten Otto wrote:

> Yeah, in this particular case, saying something like, "the following
> content originally appeared in," rather than the is-derived-from
> language would probably be more clear and to the point. (Though I
> would say that "derived from" is still correct; I'd also guess that
> he's not reusing the material verbatim.)

If he's not reusing the material verbatim, there's really no need to
reference the earlier works as specifically as Clark is attempting to do
so.  My impression is that he's not changing any of the game mechanic
information for the creatures, spells & items he's using.  Especially
since he wants to use the specific names from the books and the
requirement for using the names was that nothing be changed.  At least
that's the requirement of the license in RR.

> Of course, I still think that it's better to rely on the earlier statement
> of OGC, and state here only the PI bits. My most recent previous attempt at
> reworking Clark's text attempted to do this, but you could also make a list
> here, perhaps like this:

Your attempt arrived after I sent mine.  I think it works better than
mine, although defining OGC/PI by a negative doesn't really bother me.
The problem your approach might miss (and that I was trying to capture but
think I failed) is the fact that because of differing designations in the
earlier products designating some things as PI may not really be what
Clark is aiming for.  For example, there actually is no PI in the Creature
Collection.  It's either OGC or not OGC.  Luckily for Clark he's the
person who has the right to change that non-OGC text into PI if he wants.

Which given the new language I guess he needs to do.  The Temple of the
Rainbow Mage will contain no non-OGC text (meaning no regular copyright
material, or what is sometimes referred to as closed content.)  If Clark
doesn't have to worry about keeping what was regular copyright in CC, CC2
or RR as regular copyright and can change it all to PI, then I'd go with a
list of each item and the specific notation about what parts are PI as you
did.

alec

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