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A few comments on what has been written today...
On Friday, June 29, 2001, at 01:35 AM, John N. Finn wrote:
>> How would a group if formed, combat moronic driving?
>>
>> What types of events would have to be held to encourage people to be
>> courteous?
>
> Studying grocery cart patterns might be informative. I think their use
> shows
> how automobiles would be driven if not for the elaborate system of
> traffic
> rules and regulations.
I agree! I worked at a retail store where carts were one of my
responsibilities for almost two years. You would not believe the things
people do with carts! What I really detested were people who would blame
me for the actions of another persons cart.
On Friday, June 29, 2001, at 06:12 AM, Glen & Diane Schumann wrote:
>> "What types of events would have to be held to encourage people to be
>> courteous?"
>
> I do not see "courtesy" as the problem. In some cases, especially at
> intersections controlled by stop signs, drivers apparently trying to be
> courteous are the source of problems at the intersection because they
> are
> not correctly applying the rules of right of way. In some situations,
> I see
> drivers behaving in a way which suggests that they think the rules do
> not
> apply to them; I see this more as an attitude of arrogance than as a
> lack of
> "courtesy".
I partially agree because I have experienced many times where I will
have a Stop sign and the other guy has the right of way. What happens?
We both stop and s/he sits there until I go.
I partially disagree because I feel expending the one calorie to flip
the lever to indicate which way you are going is a courtesy to those
around you. Then again, maybe it is arrogance. Those who habitually
forget to use their turn signals could actually be tellepaths who expect
us to already know where they are going.
On Friday, June 29, 2001, at 08:20 AM, Phil Carlson wrote:
(Subject: Re: [Winona] Bikes and Action)
> On the subject of getting something going to meaningfully address
> conflicts between bikers and drivers, I remember (and still see) the ad
> campaign saying "Start SEEING Motorcycles." I know this stemmed from
> years of accidents with motorcycles where drivers said they just
> weren't paying attention to them. I don't know how effective this
> campaign has been, but it might be easy to find out from the State Dept
> of Public Safety or MnDOT whether there has been a reduction in
> accidents between cars and motorcycles, or find out who spearheaded the
> campaign and ask them. Actually paying for advertising is expensive,
> but there may be other ways locally to get out a coherent message and
> keep hammering on it -- that's what it takes: tell 'em, tell 'em again
> and again and again, and finally some of it sinks in.
I'm hesitant to think this campaign actually worked. How much did they
have to spend in order to accomplish their goals (assuming some of them
have been accomplished).
Of course then again maybe they have made a difference. I cannot say for
sure since I do not have statistics in front of me.
On the flip side I ask, why should I spend my already precious time when
another group is already doing something on a national level? Will their
be a sudden improvement if it is done locally?
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Dan Dittmann: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How often do you say to yourself, "I didn't do it; so of course it
didn't get done?"
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