This is a good note. I have just one comment on this part.
That's where I think we focused too much on coding rather
than on establishing a healthy community.
We're doing great in this regard. We've gotten several compliments
that we have focused on the right things and have done very well at
creating a great community. They all came from non-committers too
who were happy with how much they felt welcomed included. They all
sited it as the primary reason they wanted to participate more.
I think we'll be in great shape if we continue to focus on our core
values that everyone's input matters, that you don't need commit to
be in the community, have a voice, or truly be included.
I think though that if we focus too much on the PMC topic, the net
result will be that people will feel that it's a much bigger deal
than it really is, that there is some injustice going on, that things
really aren't equal and their input doesn't matter as much as we say,
that even having commit isn't good enough, and that the PMC really
*is* the center of the project and not them nor even the committers.
The good news is that we're not there yet :) Rick has stated he's
fine with our direction. Matt now feels good and added his +1. Jeff
seems to also agree all is well. Usually a -1 creates more
negativity. But I think it's also a sign of our strength that we can
talk through things and turn them positive. And all the while we've
had this discussion on our public dev list instead of a private list.
We're in great shape, we just need to keep working together to keep
things this way.
-David
On Apr 3, 2007, at 11:44 PM, Jacek Laskowski wrote:
On 4/4/07, Jeff Genender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ok...so now I am confused. From what I read, I see that as well.
But
IIUC, the PPMC has somewhat disbanded less a "vote" on new
members...again...am I missing something?
I've been looking for some additional information on the PPMC and PMC,
but couldn't find any reference that would back up the statement of
forming PMC from the former PPMC. It simply does make sense. So, let
me think about the situation out loud.
In our case, with Jeff, Matt, Rick who're with OpenEJB for a long time
and they're not on PPMC, it might mean that 1) PPMC has completely
forgotten to vote to invite them to PPMC, 2) PPMC has decided they are
not ready to be invited to PPMC yet.
Either case doesn't sound good. It's us, the PPMC, who should've taken
an active role in taking care of people who did't fall into these
categories. That's where I think we focused too much on coding rather
than on establishing a healthy community. Well, it doesn't mean that
we don't have one, we do, but again - pointing out the names, Mohammad
and Manu were active enough, to be visible and by their activities
influenced the final decision about their invitation to become the
committers. Perhaps, if I'd spend more time on the project, I'd have
noticed it, but I think current activities around the project always
boiled down to my activity in discussions with no care of others less
involved in development activities who helped us, but might've felt
being excluded only because they're not actively coding. Shame on me!
As you can see, I've got many doubts and lots of troubles figuring out
what road we should follow. Given that I feel that it was simply an
oversight and I should've stepped forward to discuss the issue
beforehand, I'd go ahead and...likely make a mistake that would
outlive the project - there would always be bad feelings about the
initial committers. On the other hand, if we stayed here and wait till
the situation is sorted out in the Incubator, how would that change
from the situation we'd graduate and do it later? Let's be honest,
what if PPMC didn't think they're ready for PPMC? Should that hinder
our graduation? These questions surely pop up in our heads and if it
happened in this project, it might completely grind down what we've
achieved so far.
Hmm, I think I've got too much thinking about it and would appreciate
the others' comment on it. I don't like when people are unhappy so I'm
all ears to hear anything I should/could do to turn it around.
(Oh how I wish Jeff had pointed it out before)
Jacek
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