Yes this helps...thanks for responding. Nobody knew there was a PPMC beyond the original 3 mentors. Now this clears it all up.
Jeff David Blevins wrote: > > Ok, so here's the how/when/who info: > > The link posted by Brett contains the who/when: > https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/committers/board/incubator- > info.txt > > The order goes basically (as shows in that document): > Henri, Brett, Jason (all at the same time) > David B, David J (all at the same time) > Jacek, Alan, Dain (all at the same time) > > And, yes, that was all done through voting and, no, I don't just get > to pick -- I get one vote like everyone. > > The three initial people brought in 2 people, the resulting 5 brought > in 3 more people, the resulting 7 haven't brought in anyone yet but > it's bound to happen any day now. > > As far as "why", again I can't say why others but me voted they way > they did. It was pretty much "hey how about so-and-so" followed by a > bunch of +1s. No one has been proposed and denied. > > I personally have proposed 3 people (Jacek, Alan, Dain) because we > needed more people on the PPMC for legal oversite (IMHO, 5 +1s is the > practical minumum). I didn't propose more because I thought it wise > to let the "next wave" have a chance to propose people as they saw fit. > > Hope that helps. > > -David > > On Apr 4, 2007, at 8:16 AM, jgenender wrote: > >> >> >> On 4/4/07, Jacek Laskowski wrote: >>> Ah, I understand your point now. I don't remember I ever knew why I >>> was invited to PPMC - perhaps my email contributions mattered ;-) It >>> just happened so I thought there was a discussion in private between >>> PPMC members. I don't think PPMC needs to explain why one is on PPMC, >>> and others are not. Those who could be invited are already >>> committers. >>> As you know from the Geronimo PMC, those who are committers and PMC >>> member is always a question of how people are seen by current project >>> participants. It's always a personal issue whether one is a good >>> candidate or not. We're discussing it (here and in Geronimo PMC), but >>> what matters for one might not be important to another. >> >> The missing component is the communication. Was there a vote that >> occurred, >> or were you (and others) just picked by David? David has yet to >> answer this >> question. Normally on the other projects, there has been an email >> sent out >> saying XYZ has been voted on by the PMC...I saw no such email. >> >>> I don't think there's anyone who has not been given a fair chance. >>> I'd >>> even say that it's not fair to have said so. It's in the >>> discretion of >>> the PPMC to decide who's a committer and who's not. The same applies >>> to vote for a PPMC member. >> >> We haven't been given an answer on this as of yet. >> >>>> AFAICT, everyone has been dedicated >>>> and I question the level of contributions in the last year from >>>> some of >>>> those picked. So I had to ask what is the criteria for being on >>>> this >>>> PMC. >>> What do you mean by contributions? You're a Geronimo PMC member and >>> I'm sure you're very well aware that there's no hard rules to vote >>> people in. It's always discussed and (P)PMC doesn't need to share the >>> outcome with the potential candidate. >>> >>> To be honest, I'm the only one who'd be questioned who's on the list. >> >> I don't agree. You are a pretty heavy contributor in more than >> just code. >> In fact my code contributions have been light, but I do try to stay >> on top >> of issues, etc. So don't question yourself ;-) >> >>> Why? I'm not a hard-coder like Mohammad, Manu, DMB, DJ, Dain plus the >>> initial PPMC team. Is being 'talkative' enough to say that one >>> contributed to a project? I don't know. I'm the one who met the >>> criteria many times and perhaps it was that what made the PPMC to >>> think to vote me in. I don't really know. But do I have to? >> >> No...nobody is questioning you. A few of us want to know how/what/why >> people were picked. Normally with an intact project and PMC, I can >> see the >> voting. But coming from an incubated project where all folks are >> equal, I >> am having a hard time seeing how someone gets picked for PMC. We >> all want >> to know what this criteria was, and who got to choose. Did a vote >> occur? >> Or did David just pick? >> >>> I do hope I haven't hurt anyone. Please let me know if I did. I'll >>> appologize at once and get rid of some nasty habits that might >>> lead to >>> it. Also, please bear in mind that English is not my mother language >>> so not everything I had in my mind is in this email and won't likely >>> be soon due to my ability to learn constraints. >> >> You are doing fine ;-) I really appreciate your comments and input. >> >> Jeff >> -- >> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-vote--Request- >> Graduation-to-a-TLP-tf3509720s2756.html#a9839067 >> Sent from the OpenEJB Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-vote--Request-Graduation-to-a-TLP-tf3509720s2756.html#a9843358 Sent from the OpenEJB Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
