On 4/4/07, Jacek Laskowski wrote:
Ah, I understand your point now. I don't remember I ever knew why I
was invited to PPMC - perhaps my email contributions
mattered ;-) It
just happened so I thought there was a discussion in private
between
PPMC members. I don't think PPMC needs to explain why one is on
PPMC,
and others are not. Those who could be invited are already
committers.
As you know from the Geronimo PMC, those who are committers and PMC
member is always a question of how people are seen by current
project
participants. It's always a personal issue whether one is a good
candidate or not. We're discussing it (here and in Geronimo
PMC), but
what matters for one might not be important to another.
The missing component is the communication. Was there a vote that
occurred,
or were you (and others) just picked by David? David has yet to
answer this
question. Normally on the other projects, there has been an email
sent out
saying XYZ has been voted on by the PMC...I saw no such email.
I don't think there's anyone who has not been given a fair chance.
I'd
even say that it's not fair to have said so. It's in the
discretion of
the PPMC to decide who's a committer and who's not. The same
applies
to vote for a PPMC member.
We haven't been given an answer on this as of yet.
AFAICT, everyone has been dedicated
and I question the level of contributions in the last year from
some of
those picked. So I had to ask what is the criteria for being on
this
PMC.
What do you mean by contributions? You're a Geronimo PMC member and
I'm sure you're very well aware that there's no hard rules to vote
people in. It's always discussed and (P)PMC doesn't need to
share the
outcome with the potential candidate.
To be honest, I'm the only one who'd be questioned who's on the
list.
I don't agree. You are a pretty heavy contributor in more than
just code.
In fact my code contributions have been light, but I do try to stay
on top
of issues, etc. So don't question yourself ;-)
Why? I'm not a hard-coder like Mohammad, Manu, DMB, DJ, Dain
plus the
initial PPMC team. Is being 'talkative' enough to say that one
contributed to a project? I don't know. I'm the one who met the
criteria many times and perhaps it was that what made the PPMC to
think to vote me in. I don't really know. But do I have to?
No...nobody is questioning you. A few of us want to know how/
what/why
people were picked. Normally with an intact project and PMC, I can
see the
voting. But coming from an incubated project where all folks are
equal, I
am having a hard time seeing how someone gets picked for PMC. We
all want
to know what this criteria was, and who got to choose. Did a vote
occur?
Or did David just pick?
I do hope I haven't hurt anyone. Please let me know if I did. I'll
appologize at once and get rid of some nasty habits that might
lead to
it. Also, please bear in mind that English is not my mother
language
so not everything I had in my mind is in this email and won't
likely
be soon due to my ability to learn constraints.
You are doing fine ;-) I really appreciate your comments and input.
Jeff
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