11iA        :-)

Here you can all talk about the good old days from before Oracle Apps 11i
that you could go home at decent times and not had to install/test patches
25 hours a day. They meet twice a decade when the 11i DBA's can take time
off from their holiday

grin......


Jack (not 11i DBA)


                                                                                       
                                                     
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Catherine,

  We all feel your pain.

  My only suggestion is to test heavily.  For every hour of patching that
we have, we have several hours of pre-req research and testing on another
server.  You simply can't run this software without a whole separate
environment for testing patches.

  Is there a support group for 11i dbas?

Jay

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I guess you are not using Oracle Human Resources Applications. For most of
the patches that we've applied, there are new bugs. It's a never-ending
applying patches-after-patches ...  We've lost count of the number of TARs
opened.  The worst part is after applying a patch to solve a bug, the new
problem which was not documented in the readme file always emerge itself
after sometime. By then, it's too late to revert back to the old version.
Are we the only company having the problem ? sigh..

Regds,
Catherine
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                         From:             Conboy, Jim
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                         "I've called Oracle for a TAR once in the past 18
months."

                         Ah, my friend, but you're not using Portal 9.0.2,
are you?
I've opened more TARs in the last few months than the rest of my Oracle
career.  Bleeding edge, I guess, so maybe its our own fault.  But
third-party support for this would have stopped the project before it got
started.

                         I agree that its not accurate to generalize all
tech support
as nimrods.  There are some very good ones out there, and even the rest at
least have acccess to all the internal notes we can't get to (Grrrrr...why
the hell do they show in metalink searches if we can't see them?).  And the
developers, if you can ever get to them, know their stuff and are a pretty
decent bunch.





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