Salam Ada Pakatan Rakyat yang boleh cerita atau mahu kenal OSS tak?
Kita bincang sama dengan dia suruh dia BAHAS dalam Dewan Rakyat.. Kalu kita hanya dok campak idea dalam mailing list ni pun tiada gunanya.. Berakhir dengan kita pun lupa.. bak kata Tun.. Melayu mudah lupa.. :D On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:28 PM, azmi salim <[email protected]> wrote: > point noted en. haris :) and i should say WOW !!! to your open source > family. > > if we are introducing to someone whom never touch a PC to an Open Source > product, then ok kan...xperlu unlearn and relearn..and yes, at first it was > OOo, but then, 'menurut arahan orang atasan, kami akan menggunakan semula > m$', thus have to use that legitimate 'promotional' m$ action pack DVDs. > fining kepala dah... > > Anyway, Salam Ramadhan semua. > > Regards, > AZMI Salim > > > On 15 August 2010 21:44, Raja Iskandar Shah <[email protected]>wrote: > >> salam azmi >> >> your comments work both ways >> >> as a boss who reviews documentation from staff, the learning curve of >> PROPER use of an office suite is steep for newbies (example proper use of >> heading, paragraph and page styles). i still see lots of rubbish [Tab] >> instead of proper paragraph indents, using typed number, then [tab] then >> heading title, instead of the simple paragraph heading style >> >> the m$ 2010 requires additional familiarisation as it has made use of the >> ribbon icon a hide-and-seek game. to fit their horrendous large icons, m$ >> have resorted to hiding them behind other obscure icons. try doing a 300 >> page admin manual on a 8.9" inch screen netbook with those large icons >> taking up 25% of the screen ! >> >> if everyone used oo.o open formats, there will not be any problems of >> formatting. >> >> if the users can afford to pay for the m$ office licenses (they are paying >> for it right ?), then by all means make the most of it. >> >> other than the 2 concluding points you made, i would also like to add: >> stronger enforcement against software piracy >> raising society's ethics against 'stealing' >> >> personally, i cant afford to have 4 copies of m$ office for each of the 4 >> computers at my home, therefore myself, my wife, my 10 year old daughter and >> my 5 year old son make do with oo.o . even my 74 year old mother makes do >> with oo.o . my children use ubuntu exclusively on the pc clone. >> >> open source is not just about linux and openoffice.org and the desktop. >> just think, if there were no linux / php / python - would there be google or >> f...@#b%k ? if you are a f...@#b%k user, you are already a part user of open >> source. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 4:44 PM, azmi salim <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> OpenOffice.org Challenges: >>> >>> 1) Learning Curve (kinda steep for newbies) >>> 2) Non-intuitive interface (compared to the latest m$ edition), hard to >>> navigate for newbies >>> 3) Compatibility (we have to take it at point blank that most of the file >>> is in m$ format). thus making people goes berserk when all those format >>> lari..especially when doing presentation >>> >>> --> unlesss there is some highly significant advantage towards using OOo, >>> apart from the normal 'FREE' and 'Open' words, which the end-user rarely >>> cares about, people will at the end rollback to m$. if they cannot use, they >>> will lari. >>> >>> --> I'm speaking based on small experience of some project, and inviting >>> (expecting) some flames. >>> >>> --> if we are introducing Open Source stuffs to g33x, that's fine, but we >>> are living in the real world, where normal people don't really understand >>> the difference between command prompt and terminal >>> >>> >>> >>> Thus, humbly i do think, >>> --> there's a need to revamp the navigational interface >>> --> there's a need for proper training ecosystem >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> AZMI >>> >>> On 15 August 2010 15:52, archayl <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 05:52 +0800, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote: >>>> > Assalamualaikum and salam sejahtera, >>>> > >>>> > I have reading numbers of email regarding the Open Source Software >>>> > (OSS) and our government in this list and we know how hard to get OSS >>>> > into the government selection and option. >>>> > >>>> > I keep on asking myself, why? Why our policy makers hard to to get OSS >>>> > as the main and important option in selection of software and the >>>> > answer is only one ...( err may be two points) >>>> > >>>> > We have money to buy proprietary and we don't care how much we going >>>> > to spend because its not our money. >>>> > >>>> > Wow its hit me. After having sahur with nasi and sambal ikan sardin >>>> > ... Its not about Government money its about our money. The Rakyat. >>>> > >>>> > If Rakyat (people) know how much that we have spend to buy other >>>> > software rather then OSS and much its can be save and what OSS can do >>>> > to build our nation... I believe its will change the policy and >>>> > perspective ... >>>> > >>>> > We should focusing in convincing The Rakyat the benefit of OSS and >>>> > making sure that The Rakyat will pressure our government OSS should be >>>> > the main and important option in selection of software. >>>> > >>>> > How ? We should discuss this >>>> > When ? Now ... We should get The Rakyat know right away >>>> > What ? Its all about people power of selection of choices >>>> > Who ? We are. We are The Rakyat. >>>> > Where ? Every state and every where. >>>> > >>>> > Set our target right, and we should get this done properly.... >>>> > >>>> > Thank you .... >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ >>>> > >>>> > Facebook Fan page >>>> > >>>> > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 >>>> > >>>> > http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my >>>> > >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> > >>>> > Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. >>>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> > [email protected]<osdcmy-list%[email protected]> >>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en >>>> >>>> >>>> How about habit? One thing people always have a hard time to cope. >>>> Change, adapt. (Two?) >>>> >>>> I've seen 3 Office Suite in one computer. Microsoft, Star, and Open. Go >>>> guess which one get frequent click-thru. 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