dapat dosa lagi kalau pakai pirated. :D On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 4:20 PM, CL Chow <[email protected]> wrote:
> Azhar, that is not the Fish philosophy, > Not offence, just as an example, > Your friend is a drugs dealer, kalau tak ada orang hisap dadah, mana datang > rezeki? > Kalau banyak orang hisap dadah, kaya la!!! > > M$ is bad enough, people especially in these computer repair shops even > want to pirate them. > > Regards, > CL Chow > "Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send > OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/"; > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM, riZer Enterprise < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Salam semua... >> Bagi pendapat saya..... tidaklah terlalu susah untuk menjual sistem ini >> kepada orang ramai. Kebanyakan customer-customer saya, mereka ini adalah >> golongan yang mahu berubah, Sanggup mencuba sesuatu yang baru dan boleh >> menerima akan adanya unsur unsur lain didalam komputer mereka. Ini kerana >> mereka sudah jelak dengan pekedai yang mengformat komputer mereka kepada M$. >> Why? >> Kerana dah boring hantar kedai dan bawa pulang guna tak berapa lama jammed >> (the blue screen of death) balik. Kekadang tu pekedai tolak komputer depa >> tak mahu buat repair sebab relic pentium mmx. >> I've always imagine......" >> Alangkah baiknya kalau saper-saper pun tak payah bayar kat saper-saper pun >> kalau takat computer system depa down" >> But that could never happen. Our principle yang kita pegang dan amalkan >> adalah yang terbaik. Rizer Enterprise never sell M$ we sell linux softwares. >> Why? >> Sebab kami hanya menjual barang yang baik-baik sahaja. Dan linux bukanlah >> sebuah product pengilang... Linux adalah bahan organik dalam ekosistem >> perisian" >> Do you know what's the number 1 bug in linux? >> It's M$. >> Kawan saya ada membuka kedai komputer...Saya tengok di kedainya sentiasa >> ada banyak komputer untuk di repair..Mostly PC PC tu kena virus. Saya pun >> mencemuh mengatakan tak best lah M$ ni asyik kena virus je. Kawan saya >> dengan nada sinis berkat >>"Ko jgn cakap macam tu bro... virus ni ada bagus >> nyer kami cari makan macam ni ler...!!" >> Subhanallah tersentak saya mendengar kata-katanya. Di dalam hati saya >> berkata "Baik ko tanam je virus dalam komputer diorang nanti diorang datang >> balik" >> Morale of the story here... >> seperti Tuan Haris pernah berkata.. >> I would rather teach them how to fish instead of selling them the fish.. >> WHY? >> Becouse I also wants to go catch my own fish to feed my family. If I sell >> the fish they will always come back to me to buy more fish. So go catch >> 'em.. >> >> >> Yours truly >> >> AzharMZ >> >> >> >> 2010/8/16 Mohd Hidzuan <[email protected]> >> >> Salam >>> >>> Ada Pakatan Rakyat yang boleh cerita atau mahu kenal OSS tak? >>> >>> Kita bincang sama dengan dia suruh dia BAHAS dalam Dewan Rakyat.. >>> >>> Kalu kita hanya dok campak idea dalam mailing list ni pun tiada gunanya.. >>> >>> Berakhir dengan kita pun lupa.. bak kata Tun.. Melayu mudah lupa.. :D >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:28 PM, azmi salim <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> point noted en. haris :) and i should say WOW !!! to your open source >>>> family. >>>> >>>> if we are introducing to someone whom never touch a PC to an Open Source >>>> product, then ok kan...xperlu unlearn and relearn..and yes, at first it was >>>> OOo, but then, 'menurut arahan orang atasan, kami akan menggunakan semula >>>> m$', thus have to use that legitimate 'promotional' m$ action pack DVDs. >>>> fining kepala dah... >>>> >>>> Anyway, Salam Ramadhan semua. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> AZMI Salim >>>> >>>> >>>> On 15 August 2010 21:44, Raja Iskandar Shah <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> salam azmi >>>>> >>>>> your comments work both ways >>>>> >>>>> as a boss who reviews documentation from staff, the learning curve of >>>>> PROPER use of an office suite is steep for newbies (example proper use of >>>>> heading, paragraph and page styles). i still see lots of rubbish [Tab] >>>>> instead of proper paragraph indents, using typed number, then [tab] then >>>>> heading title, instead of the simple paragraph heading style >>>>> >>>>> the m$ 2010 requires additional familiarisation as it has made use of >>>>> the ribbon icon a hide-and-seek game. to fit their horrendous large icons, >>>>> m$ have resorted to hiding them behind other obscure icons. try doing a >>>>> 300 >>>>> page admin manual on a 8.9" inch screen netbook with those large icons >>>>> taking up 25% of the screen ! >>>>> >>>>> if everyone used oo.o open formats, there will not be any problems of >>>>> formatting. >>>>> >>>>> if the users can afford to pay for the m$ office licenses (they are >>>>> paying for it right ?), then by all means make the most of it. >>>>> >>>>> other than the 2 concluding points you made, i would also like to add: >>>>> stronger enforcement against software piracy >>>>> raising society's ethics against 'stealing' >>>>> >>>>> personally, i cant afford to have 4 copies of m$ office for each of the >>>>> 4 computers at my home, therefore myself, my wife, my 10 year old daughter >>>>> and my 5 year old son make do with oo.o . even my 74 year old mother makes >>>>> do with oo.o . my children use ubuntu exclusively on the pc clone. >>>>> >>>>> open source is not just about linux and openoffice.org and the >>>>> desktop. just think, if there were no linux / php / python - would there >>>>> be >>>>> google or f...@#b%k ? if you are a f...@#b%k user, you are already a part >>>>> user of open source. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 4:44 PM, azmi salim <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> OpenOffice.org Challenges: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Learning Curve (kinda steep for newbies) >>>>>> 2) Non-intuitive interface (compared to the latest m$ edition), hard >>>>>> to navigate for newbies >>>>>> 3) Compatibility (we have to take it at point blank that most of the >>>>>> file is in m$ format). thus making people goes berserk when all those >>>>>> format lari..especially when doing presentation >>>>>> >>>>>> --> unlesss there is some highly significant advantage towards using >>>>>> OOo, apart from the normal 'FREE' and 'Open' words, which the end-user >>>>>> rarely cares about, people will at the end rollback to m$. if they cannot >>>>>> use, they will lari. >>>>>> >>>>>> --> I'm speaking based on small experience of some project, and >>>>>> inviting (expecting) some flames. >>>>>> >>>>>> --> if we are introducing Open Source stuffs to g33x, that's fine, but >>>>>> we are living in the real world, where normal people don't really >>>>>> understand >>>>>> the difference between command prompt and terminal >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thus, humbly i do think, >>>>>> --> there's a need to revamp the navigational interface >>>>>> --> there's a need for proper training ecosystem >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> AZMI >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15 August 2010 15:52, archayl <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 05:52 +0800, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote: >>>>>>> > Assalamualaikum and salam sejahtera, >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I have reading numbers of email regarding the Open Source Software >>>>>>> > (OSS) and our government in this list and we know how hard to get >>>>>>> OSS >>>>>>> > into the government selection and option. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I keep on asking myself, why? Why our policy makers hard to to get >>>>>>> OSS >>>>>>> > as the main and important option in selection of software and the >>>>>>> > answer is only one ...( err may be two points) >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > We have money to buy proprietary and we don't care how much we >>>>>>> going >>>>>>> > to spend because its not our money. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Wow its hit me. After having sahur with nasi and sambal ikan sardin >>>>>>> > ... Its not about Government money its about our money. The Rakyat. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > If Rakyat (people) know how much that we have spend to buy other >>>>>>> > software rather then OSS and much its can be save and what OSS can >>>>>>> do >>>>>>> > to build our nation... I believe its will change the policy and >>>>>>> > perspective ... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > We should focusing in convincing The Rakyat the benefit of OSS and >>>>>>> > making sure that The Rakyat will pressure our government OSS should >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> > the main and important option in selection of software. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > How ? We should discuss this >>>>>>> > When ? Now ... We should get The Rakyat know right away >>>>>>> > What ? Its all about people power of selection of choices >>>>>>> > Who ? We are. We are The Rakyat. >>>>>>> > Where ? Every state and every where. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Set our target right, and we should get this done properly.... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Thank you .... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>> > Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Facebook Fan page >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. >>>>>>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> > [email protected]<osdcmy-list%[email protected]> >>>>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How about habit? One thing people always have a hard time to cope. >>>>>>> Change, adapt. (Two?) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've seen 3 Office Suite in one computer. Microsoft, Star, and Open. >>>>>>> Go >>>>>>> guess which one get frequent click-thru. 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