Azhar, that is not the Fish philosophy, Not offence, just as an example, Your friend is a drugs dealer, kalau tak ada orang hisap dadah, mana datang rezeki? Kalau banyak orang hisap dadah, kaya la!!!
M$ is bad enough, people especially in these computer repair shops even want to pirate them. Regards, CL Chow "Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/"; On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM, riZer Enterprise <[email protected] > wrote: > Salam semua... > Bagi pendapat saya..... tidaklah terlalu susah untuk menjual sistem ini > kepada orang ramai. Kebanyakan customer-customer saya, mereka ini adalah > golongan yang mahu berubah, Sanggup mencuba sesuatu yang baru dan boleh > menerima akan adanya unsur unsur lain didalam komputer mereka. Ini kerana > mereka sudah jelak dengan pekedai yang mengformat komputer mereka kepada M$. > Why? > Kerana dah boring hantar kedai dan bawa pulang guna tak berapa lama jammed > (the blue screen of death) balik. Kekadang tu pekedai tolak komputer depa > tak mahu buat repair sebab relic pentium mmx. > I've always imagine......" > Alangkah baiknya kalau saper-saper pun tak payah bayar kat saper-saper pun > kalau takat computer system depa down" > But that could never happen. Our principle yang kita pegang dan amalkan > adalah yang terbaik. Rizer Enterprise never sell M$ we sell linux softwares. > Why? > Sebab kami hanya menjual barang yang baik-baik sahaja. Dan linux bukanlah > sebuah product pengilang... Linux adalah bahan organik dalam ekosistem > perisian" > Do you know what's the number 1 bug in linux? > It's M$. > Kawan saya ada membuka kedai komputer...Saya tengok di kedainya sentiasa > ada banyak komputer untuk di repair..Mostly PC PC tu kena virus. Saya pun > mencemuh mengatakan tak best lah M$ ni asyik kena virus je. Kawan saya > dengan nada sinis berkat >>"Ko jgn cakap macam tu bro... virus ni ada bagus > nyer kami cari makan macam ni ler...!!" > Subhanallah tersentak saya mendengar kata-katanya. Di dalam hati saya > berkata "Baik ko tanam je virus dalam komputer diorang nanti diorang datang > balik" > Morale of the story here... > seperti Tuan Haris pernah berkata.. > I would rather teach them how to fish instead of selling them the fish.. > WHY? > Becouse I also wants to go catch my own fish to feed my family. If I sell > the fish they will always come back to me to buy more fish. So go catch > 'em.. > > > Yours truly > > AzharMZ > > > > 2010/8/16 Mohd Hidzuan <[email protected]> > > Salam >> >> Ada Pakatan Rakyat yang boleh cerita atau mahu kenal OSS tak? >> >> Kita bincang sama dengan dia suruh dia BAHAS dalam Dewan Rakyat.. >> >> Kalu kita hanya dok campak idea dalam mailing list ni pun tiada gunanya.. >> >> Berakhir dengan kita pun lupa.. bak kata Tun.. Melayu mudah lupa.. :D >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 10:28 PM, azmi salim <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> point noted en. haris :) and i should say WOW !!! to your open source >>> family. >>> >>> if we are introducing to someone whom never touch a PC to an Open Source >>> product, then ok kan...xperlu unlearn and relearn..and yes, at first it was >>> OOo, but then, 'menurut arahan orang atasan, kami akan menggunakan semula >>> m$', thus have to use that legitimate 'promotional' m$ action pack DVDs. >>> fining kepala dah... >>> >>> Anyway, Salam Ramadhan semua. >>> >>> Regards, >>> AZMI Salim >>> >>> >>> On 15 August 2010 21:44, Raja Iskandar Shah <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> salam azmi >>>> >>>> your comments work both ways >>>> >>>> as a boss who reviews documentation from staff, the learning curve of >>>> PROPER use of an office suite is steep for newbies (example proper use of >>>> heading, paragraph and page styles). i still see lots of rubbish [Tab] >>>> instead of proper paragraph indents, using typed number, then [tab] then >>>> heading title, instead of the simple paragraph heading style >>>> >>>> the m$ 2010 requires additional familiarisation as it has made use of >>>> the ribbon icon a hide-and-seek game. to fit their horrendous large icons, >>>> m$ have resorted to hiding them behind other obscure icons. try doing a 300 >>>> page admin manual on a 8.9" inch screen netbook with those large icons >>>> taking up 25% of the screen ! >>>> >>>> if everyone used oo.o open formats, there will not be any problems of >>>> formatting. >>>> >>>> if the users can afford to pay for the m$ office licenses (they are >>>> paying for it right ?), then by all means make the most of it. >>>> >>>> other than the 2 concluding points you made, i would also like to add: >>>> stronger enforcement against software piracy >>>> raising society's ethics against 'stealing' >>>> >>>> personally, i cant afford to have 4 copies of m$ office for each of the >>>> 4 computers at my home, therefore myself, my wife, my 10 year old daughter >>>> and my 5 year old son make do with oo.o . even my 74 year old mother makes >>>> do with oo.o . my children use ubuntu exclusively on the pc clone. >>>> >>>> open source is not just about linux and openoffice.org and the desktop. >>>> just think, if there were no linux / php / python - would there be google >>>> or >>>> f...@#b%k ? if you are a f...@#b%k user, you are already a part user of >>>> open >>>> source. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 4:44 PM, azmi salim <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> OpenOffice.org Challenges: >>>>> >>>>> 1) Learning Curve (kinda steep for newbies) >>>>> 2) Non-intuitive interface (compared to the latest m$ edition), hard to >>>>> navigate for newbies >>>>> 3) Compatibility (we have to take it at point blank that most of the >>>>> file is in m$ format). thus making people goes berserk when all those >>>>> format lari..especially when doing presentation >>>>> >>>>> --> unlesss there is some highly significant advantage towards using >>>>> OOo, apart from the normal 'FREE' and 'Open' words, which the end-user >>>>> rarely cares about, people will at the end rollback to m$. if they cannot >>>>> use, they will lari. >>>>> >>>>> --> I'm speaking based on small experience of some project, and >>>>> inviting (expecting) some flames. >>>>> >>>>> --> if we are introducing Open Source stuffs to g33x, that's fine, but >>>>> we are living in the real world, where normal people don't really >>>>> understand >>>>> the difference between command prompt and terminal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thus, humbly i do think, >>>>> --> there's a need to revamp the navigational interface >>>>> --> there's a need for proper training ecosystem >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> AZMI >>>>> >>>>> On 15 August 2010 15:52, archayl <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 05:52 +0800, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote: >>>>>> > Assalamualaikum and salam sejahtera, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I have reading numbers of email regarding the Open Source Software >>>>>> > (OSS) and our government in this list and we know how hard to get >>>>>> OSS >>>>>> > into the government selection and option. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I keep on asking myself, why? Why our policy makers hard to to get >>>>>> OSS >>>>>> > as the main and important option in selection of software and the >>>>>> > answer is only one ...( err may be two points) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > We have money to buy proprietary and we don't care how much we going >>>>>> > to spend because its not our money. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Wow its hit me. After having sahur with nasi and sambal ikan sardin >>>>>> > ... Its not about Government money its about our money. The Rakyat. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > If Rakyat (people) know how much that we have spend to buy other >>>>>> > software rather then OSS and much its can be save and what OSS can >>>>>> do >>>>>> > to build our nation... I believe its will change the policy and >>>>>> > perspective ... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > We should focusing in convincing The Rakyat the benefit of OSS and >>>>>> > making sure that The Rakyat will pressure our government OSS should >>>>>> be >>>>>> > the main and important option in selection of software. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > How ? We should discuss this >>>>>> > When ? Now ... We should get The Rakyat know right away >>>>>> > What ? Its all about people power of selection of choices >>>>>> > Who ? We are. We are The Rakyat. >>>>>> > Where ? Every state and every where. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Set our target right, and we should get this done properly.... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Thank you .... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Facebook Fan page >>>>>> > >>>>>> > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 >>>>>> > >>>>>> > http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my >>>>>> > >>>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. >>>>>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> > [email protected]<osdcmy-list%[email protected]> >>>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> How about habit? One thing people always have a hard time to cope. >>>>>> Change, adapt. (Two?) >>>>>> >>>>>> I've seen 3 Office Suite in one computer. 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