>> Ruby on Rails did more with less tech and less marketing budget, wtf can't these two products get some healthy wins
I suspect it is because DHH doesn't run from news report to news report telling people "Ruby on Rails is the future, no, Erlang, no, Ruby on Rails, no, Django". It's all about confidence in the market. Perhaps you should change that sentence to "Ruby on Rails did more * precisely because* it has less marketing budget". Less hype, less spin, less uncertainty if/when they change their mind on important matters. On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Scott Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: > sorry :) i do feel a bit way to passionate about this topic lately.. > bottom line is, i just dont like the idea SL/WPF should be parked in > the "we may come back to this later" bay, all because of a bad > marketing / expectation calibration set of issues.. > > Good tech should prevail. Ruby on Rails did more with less tech and > less marketing budget, wtf can't these two products get some healthy > wins :D ... > > Anyway :D > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Darren Neimke <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Thanks Scott, I haven't read all of your reply yet, but I did skim > through > > it quickly. By the way, I knew that you'd win the award for the longest > > answer :-) > > > > My judgement is that, regardless of what the Win8, 9, or 10 team thinks. > > Regardless of what Mary, Peter and Paul think. At the end of the day, > it's > > only my opinion that really matters to me - and I feel perfectly capable > of > > having a clear view based on what I've seen and heard for myself. > However, > > I do accept that there will be people - both inside and outside of > Microsoft > > - who do feel the need to be given their opinions by the aforementioned > > crowd. > > > > Darren Neimke > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > CC: [email protected] > > From: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:52:46 +1000 > > To: [email protected] > > > > I guess you can believe the below, clench your fists and sing in a > righteous > > voice "viva la silverlight" walk away thinking all this PR and community > > aggravation is misguided and that the highest ranked executive aside from > > ballmer himself got it wrong despite being briefed on silverlight every 3 > > months ranging on topics from ubiquity to roadmap selection criteria. > Sure I > > can buy that but to sit and swallow that this is all just a misguided > youth > > getting all sugary high from some bad journalists and how blind loyalty > to > > the Microsoft ux strategy that has yet to really be shown despite > constant > > signs of abandonment throughout the last 2 years is now a taboo topic of > > choice... Yeah that I can't buy just yet. > > Win8 team don't want silverlight. I want it, we all on this list want it. > > Wpf is dead, I love working with wpf and I do so very day and think > myself > > lucky .. But it's dead in terms of marketing and future investment.. > > The reality is this, right now the eyeball economy is bring used by > factions > > internally as a beating stick on "why se should or shouldn't continue to > > invest" - I've personally seen 3 separate threads leaked with that pulse > in > > place. > > Inside the teams we don't get to see data about how you all adopted it > etc > > and so public opinion would often sway decisions ... As pathetic as that > > sounds. > > I sang loud and clear wpf is dead, journos picked up on it and ran with > it. > > A month later the wpf team are working hard to proove my theories wrong. > > It's not like it's the first hey heard about it... It just finally got > > public momentum. > > As for Microsoft learning that the public can't be trusted with honesty? > > Hate to be the one that breaks this to all but that's the default posture > > held by majority of Microsoft teams.. Hence why MVP summits are often > just a > > mix/pdc circle jerk with a different name.. > > Hate this all u like but this is doing a lot of good internally on > > silverlight vs HTML5 budget forecasts and resource allocations for the > > future.. Which means more toys for you all to play with if it sways to > > silverlights favor. > > There isn't an unlimited supply of engineers / marketing inside Microsoft > .. > > Internally it cab become a zero sum game ;) > > -- > > Sent from my mini iPad nano > > (excuse my spilling and grammar as I have giant man like fingers and this > > device as small keys) > > On 01/11/2010, at 12:27 PM, Darren Neimke <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > It's worse than that. If anything, think about what *we've* effectively > > just told Microsoft: > > > > If you ever dare to try to tell us the truth, or give us information > which > > is in the least bit honest, we will beat you up with a fu#$ing great big > > stick! > > > > Darren Neimke > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:24:34 +1100 > > Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > > To: [email protected] > > > > I agree. This whole Silverlight debate is a beat up over nothing. > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Darren Neimke <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > There's a couple of things here that I think are really, really sad. > > Firstly, a department within Microsoft comes out at an event, and they > use > > plain English to show that they are supporting an exciting new > technology. > > Next, a couple of groups - who make money from eyeballs - come out with > > inflammatory comments about what has been said. Finally, people like > *you* > > (whomever is reading this right now) give justification to the comments > made > > by those groups by going on about it. > > So in short, > > > > I don't really care who Mary Foley or TechCrunch are, or what qualifies > them > > to publish stories with such an audacious and misleading title as: > > "Microsoft: Our strategy with Silverlight has shifted" > > Every minute and therefore money (via our eyeballs) we give to Mary and > > TechCrunch, is a minute that is not spent working out how to get the best > > out of these 2 technologies > > Think about the people who are writing about this "debate" (debate? > > really?) and ask yourself what their motive is for writing in the first > > place > > > > > > Darren Neimke > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:51:38 +1000 > > Subject: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > > ...at least for non-phones: > > http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/ > > > http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834 > > http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing > list > > [email protected] > > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > _______________________________________________ > > ozsilverlight mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing > list > > [email protected] > > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ozsilverlight mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > > > _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing > list > > [email protected] > > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > _______________________________________________ > > ozsilverlight mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > [email protected] > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > -- Paul Stovell
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