sorry :) i do feel a bit way to passionate about this topic lately.. bottom line is, i just dont like the idea SL/WPF should be parked in the "we may come back to this later" bay, all because of a bad marketing / expectation calibration set of issues..
Good tech should prevail. Ruby on Rails did more with less tech and less marketing budget, wtf can't these two products get some healthy wins :D ... Anyway :D On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Darren Neimke <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Scott, I haven't read all of your reply yet, but I did skim through > it quickly. By the way, I knew that you'd win the award for the longest > answer :-) > > My judgement is that, regardless of what the Win8, 9, or 10 team thinks. > Regardless of what Mary, Peter and Paul think. At the end of the day, it's > only my opinion that really matters to me - and I feel perfectly capable of > having a clear view based on what I've seen and heard for myself. However, > I do accept that there will be people - both inside and outside of Microsoft > - who do feel the need to be given their opinions by the aforementioned > crowd. > > Darren Neimke > [email protected] > > > > > ________________________________ > CC: [email protected] > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 12:52:46 +1000 > To: [email protected] > > I guess you can believe the below, clench your fists and sing in a righteous > voice "viva la silverlight" walk away thinking all this PR and community > aggravation is misguided and that the highest ranked executive aside from > ballmer himself got it wrong despite being briefed on silverlight every 3 > months ranging on topics from ubiquity to roadmap selection criteria. Sure I > can buy that but to sit and swallow that this is all just a misguided youth > getting all sugary high from some bad journalists and how blind loyalty to > the Microsoft ux strategy that has yet to really be shown despite constant > signs of abandonment throughout the last 2 years is now a taboo topic of > choice... Yeah that I can't buy just yet. > Win8 team don't want silverlight. I want it, we all on this list want it. > Wpf is dead, I love working with wpf and I do so very day and think myself > lucky .. But it's dead in terms of marketing and future investment.. > The reality is this, right now the eyeball economy is bring used by factions > internally as a beating stick on "why se should or shouldn't continue to > invest" - I've personally seen 3 separate threads leaked with that pulse in > place. > Inside the teams we don't get to see data about how you all adopted it etc > and so public opinion would often sway decisions ... As pathetic as that > sounds. > I sang loud and clear wpf is dead, journos picked up on it and ran with it. > A month later the wpf team are working hard to proove my theories wrong. > It's not like it's the first hey heard about it... It just finally got > public momentum. > As for Microsoft learning that the public can't be trusted with honesty? > Hate to be the one that breaks this to all but that's the default posture > held by majority of Microsoft teams.. Hence why MVP summits are often just a > mix/pdc circle jerk with a different name.. > Hate this all u like but this is doing a lot of good internally on > silverlight vs HTML5 budget forecasts and resource allocations for the > future.. Which means more toys for you all to play with if it sways to > silverlights favor. > There isn't an unlimited supply of engineers / marketing inside Microsoft .. > Internally it cab become a zero sum game ;) > -- > Sent from my mini iPad nano > (excuse my spilling and grammar as I have giant man like fingers and this > device as small keys) > On 01/11/2010, at 12:27 PM, Darren Neimke <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's worse than that. If anything, think about what *we've* effectively > just told Microsoft: > > If you ever dare to try to tell us the truth, or give us information which > is in the least bit honest, we will beat you up with a fu#$ing great big > stick! > > Darren Neimke > [email protected] > > > > > ________________________________ > From: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:24:34 +1100 > Subject: Re: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > To: [email protected] > > I agree. This whole Silverlight debate is a beat up over nothing. > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Darren Neimke <[email protected]> > wrote: > > There's a couple of things here that I think are really, really sad. > Firstly, a department within Microsoft comes out at an event, and they use > plain English to show that they are supporting an exciting new technology. > Next, a couple of groups - who make money from eyeballs - come out with > inflammatory comments about what has been said. Finally, people like *you* > (whomever is reading this right now) give justification to the comments made > by those groups by going on about it. > So in short, > > I don't really care who Mary Foley or TechCrunch are, or what qualifies them > to publish stories with such an audacious and misleading title as: > "Microsoft: Our strategy with Silverlight has shifted" > Every minute and therefore money (via our eyeballs) we give to Mary and > TechCrunch, is a minute that is not spent working out how to get the best > out of these 2 technologies > Think about the people who are writing about this "debate" (debate? > really?) and ask yourself what their motive is for writing in the first > place > > > Darren Neimke > [email protected] > > > > > ________________________________ > Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 10:51:38 +1000 > Subject: So, is Silverlight dead yet? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > ...at least for non-phones: > http://techcrunch.com/2010/10/30/rip-silverlight-on-the-web/ > http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-our-strategy-with-silverlight-has-shifted/7834 > http://wildermuth.com/2010/10/30/Post-PDC_HTML5_v_Silverlight_Debate > Paul > _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing list > [email protected] > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > [email protected] > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > > > _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing list > [email protected] > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > [email protected] > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing list > [email protected] > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > [email protected] > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing list [email protected] http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
