personally, I am talking about some coordination and cooperation between proto-phyles ...
coordinating commons-based production is a different topic, equally interesting but this was not the topic of the original invite, of course, phyles could <also> coordinate their production, if they were more fully developed etc .. Michel On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:58 PM, David de Ugarte <da...@lasindias.coop> wrote: > Ah! OK, this is about coordinating commons based projects, not about phyle > making. So, the question should be then how phyle nucleus as ours, can > contribute to these movement towards territorial coordination of commons > based projects, Am I right? > > We agree with that idea/project and we will give our best to it, no doubt. > But, please lets use the word phyle with its meaning. From its very origins > the phyle idea had a very concrete goal: to create an alternative to > national identity able to complement the fading (¿collapsing?) welfare > state and take responsibility for its own members (social security, health, > guarantee of job and trade inside, safety and freedom of movements, etc.) > what made mandatory to the few phyle nucleus existing then, to have a > presence and a real autonomy in the open market while constructing a > money-free economy in its interior. > > > > On 2016-10-18 12:58, David de Ugarte wrote: > > Great thanks to you both!!! > > On 2016-10-18 12:57, Stacco Troncoso wrote: > > Here's the Commons Association text in our blog, if you don't like PDFs ;) > > https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/unifying-commons-based- > projects-in-a-self-organised-solidarity-economy/2016/09/09 > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Bob Haugen <bob.hau...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> You all might find the pdfs below to be relevant: >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende >> <commonsverbue...@lists.commons-institut.org> >> Date: 2016-10-18 5:06 GMT-05:00 >> Subject: Re: [commonsverbuende] Commons Associations jetzt auch in >> Englisch >> To: commonsverbue...@lists.commons-institut.org >> >> >> Hallo Hannes und alle, >> >> On 08/10/16 15:41, Christian Siefkes via Commonsverbuende wrote: >> > OK, ich werde PDFs erzeugen und hochladen und dann hier nochmal >> Bescheid sagen. >> >> ich habe die PDfs jetzt erstellt und bei Keimform hochgeladen. Sie sind >> vom >> deutsch- bzw. englischsprachigen Artikel aus verlinkt oder direkt unter >> folgenden URLs zu finden: >> >> Deutsch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/commonsverbund.pdf >> Englisch: http://keimform.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/commons-associ >> ation.pdf >> >> Herzliche Grüße >> Christian >> >> -- >> |--------- Dr. Christian Siefkes --------- christ...@siefkes.net >> --------- >> | Homepage: http://www.siefkes.net/ | Blog: >> http://www.keimform.de/ >> | Wie Produktion zur Nebensache wurde: www.keimform.de/2013/freie-que >> llen-1/ >> | Why Production No Longer Worries Us: www.keimform.de/2013/free-sour >> ces-1/ >> |------------------------------------------- OpenPGP Key ID: 0x980FA6ED >> -- >> Was darf die Satire? >> Alles. >> -- Kurt Tucholsky >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Commonsverbuende mailing list >> commonsverbue...@lists.commons-institut.org >> https://lists.schokokeks.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/commonsverbuende >> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:19 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.hau...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Responses inline. >> > >> > On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 5:06 AM, David de Ugarte <da...@lasindias.coop> >> wrote: >> >> Dear Bob, >> >> >> >> it is a really interesting theoretical approach but... I guess we are >> still >> >> far from the point when we could attend basic consumption demands. The >> real >> >> existing fabric of p2p production is unproportionally based in >> services (as >> >> it is natural because p2p production was born in the digital economy). >> > >> > I am aware it's mostly services now, except for food, which could be a >> > place to start on material goods, at least in regional networks. >> > >> > Software, however, is the heart of p2p production now, and that is not >> > coordinated very well between groups or often not even within groups. >> > The Mutual Aid Networks, for example, use several apps that do not >> > talk to each other. And several Mutual Aid Networks are starting up, >> > that will multiply the same problem. Same for Fair Coop. >> > >> > Designs for material goods is another possibility. >> > >> >> Increasing diversity of production is today a trend and a goal, but I >> guess >> >> diversity is not still big enough even for supporting a viable >> productive >> >> coin. >> >> >> >> Because of it, from the very beggining we envisioned mutualism as the >> path >> >> of making phyles grow inside a wider vision we call post-laborism. >> Please >> >> have a look to this post (you will probably have to use google >> translate) >> >> >> >> https://lasindias.com/post-laborismo >> > >> > Thanks, will study. >> > >> >> On 2016-10-16 11:56, Bob Haugen wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Sorry, cutnpaste error. Should have been section entitled "How we can >> >>> implement a Mutual Coordination Economy based on existing >> >>> organizations". >> >>> >> >>> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 3:04 AM, Bob Haugen <bob.hau...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> then see from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of >> >>>>> alignment between 'proto-phyles' >> >>>> >> >>>> Could this be it? >> >>>> >> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10 >> >>>> >> >>>> See the section entitled >> >>>> >> >>>> "https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capi >> talist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination-economy/2016/02/10 >> " >> >>>> and my comment below: >> >>>> >> >>>> https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/how-the-signals-used-by-capit >> alist-supply-chains-could-serve-a-mutual-coordination- >> economy/2016/02/10#comment-1551200 >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Michel Bauwens >> >>>> <mic...@p2pfoundation.net> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> dear David, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I have great difficulties lately to monitor my emails, 5755 to go >> <g>, >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> so I missed this important response, and the ones following which I >> will >> >>>>> process in a moment. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> The first thing for me, is perhaps that we can organize a common >> skype >> >>>>> with >> >>>>> joshua vial / Alanna Krause for Enspiral, Robert Pye for Ethos, you >> and >> >>>>> Natalia for lasindias, tibi from Sensorica, perhaps others ? And >> then >> >>>>> see >> >>>>> from there if it makes sense to have some extra layer of alignment >> >>>>> between >> >>>>> 'proto-phyles' >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I copy Ann-Marie for the p2p foundation, for assistance in >> coordinating >> >>>>> any >> >>>>> such meetup if there is agreement on doing it. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Since the previous email in this thread is an email from our >> recently >> >>>>> deceased P2P colleague Jean Lievens, I am sharing a special thought >> in >> >>>>> his >> >>>>> remembrance, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Michel >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 6:12 PM, David de Ugarte < >> da...@lasindias.coop> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> We completely agree!! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> It is a nodal moment because this convergence, I guess, reflects a >> >>>>>> deepening concern in wide social sectors. In our case, we are >> >>>>>> experiencing >> >>>>>> since October's Somero a widening of our audience and a closer >> >>>>>> relation >> >>>>>> with other communities. Last week, in example, we had by first >> time in >> >>>>>> many >> >>>>>> years, more than 10.000 unique visitors in our blog in only a day, >> and >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> Communard Manifesto is spreading a lot faster than we thought: >> there >> >>>>>> are in >> >>>>>> example volunteers -we did not know before- translating it in >> >>>>>> Switzerland >> >>>>>> and Portugal to German and Portuguese languages. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> So, we are sensing not only the appearance of a «P2P theoritical >> camp», >> >>>>>> but the emergence of a «P2P audience» probably product of the >> >>>>>> disenchanted >> >>>>>> with the political hopes hegemonic only a year ago between the >> majority >> >>>>>> of >> >>>>>> the activists in countries like Spain or Greece. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> So, Michel, what comes now? How could we contribute? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 2016-05-21 22:06, Michel Bauwens wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> AN IMPORTANT PIVOT MOMENT TOWARDS A THE EMERGENCE OF A COLLECTIVE >> >>>>>> ORGANIC >> >>>>>> INTELLECTUAL FOR THE COMMONS MOVEMENT >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> The above has always been the ambition of the P2P Foundation, and I >> >>>>>> believe this is now coalescing .. some signs >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 1) Las Indias has consolidated all its original insights in the >> just >> >>>>>> published Communard Manifesto (Steve Herrick: you can perhaps let >> them >> >>>>>> know >> >>>>>> about this posting here as they are not on fb) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 2) the last video by Dmytri Kleiner, which I posted here, also >> shows a >> >>>>>> convergence towards this multi-modal approach (working for the >> >>>>>> strengthening >> >>>>>> of the new economy within the existing one) and has a very precise >> >>>>>> strategy >> >>>>>> and many innovative concepts >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 3) the critique by Alanna Krause on the blockchain which I posited, >> >>>>>> along >> >>>>>> with the 'transvestment' practices, show that both the practice, >> and >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> theory, and the subjectivity of Enspiral is moving in the same >> >>>>>> direction >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 4) as for myself, I am working on a more theoretical book in which >> I'm >> >>>>>> aligning all our pasts insights following the overview of Kojin >> >>>>>> Karatini .. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I may be forgetting some other elements, but here we are, there is >> >>>>>> effectively, a collective organic intellectual at work, which is >> >>>>>> thinking >> >>>>>> through the strategies to be followed by the forces of the >> commons, in >> >>>>>> a way >> >>>>>> that may have been there in seed form, but is about to flower and >> .. >> >>>>>> THIS IS >> >>>>>> HUGELY IMPORTANT >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I am not implying here of course that there are no differences >> between >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> approaches of these groups, but that they are moving broadly in the >> >>>>>> same >> >>>>>> direction . >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> At present, there are not any formal bridges between these groups, >> but >> >>>>>> there are occasional informal contacts, and the memes do seem to >> travel >> >>>>>> .. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> With Dmytri Kleiner, we are discussing a 'Transvestment' >> conference in >> >>>>>> Berlin at the end of this year, no funding yet, this could be an >> >>>>>> occasion >> >>>>>> for these groups to enter into more coherent dialogue, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Michel >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> >>>>>> http://commonstransition.org >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> >>>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: >> >>>>> http://commonstransition.org >> >>>>> >> >>>>> P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - >> >>>>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; >> http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens >> >>>>> >> >>>>> #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > > Strategic direction steward P2P Foundation <http://p2pfoundation.net/>. > Director of content commonstransition.org > Co-founder guerrillatranslation.org > > > > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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