Peter I hope you're reading this. Because damn, coming from you that hurts. You're one of the people I've always seen as sincere and genuine in a discussion. You always stand your ground and that's admirable in its own right no matter what your opinions are. And I trust you to not be someone who condones the deliberate hurting of people. In fact I think if you felt something was torture you'd be against it. In other words, I love you too, man.
I'm open to fact and logic.And I ask the same of you. If AI or the UN say it wasn't torture I'll accept their judgement. If 'not for a long time to be privately fucking civilian' Manning says it was I'll believe him, too. I have to give him that. If an ex CIA staffer says publically that extraordinary renditions work like: "If you want someone harshly questioned, send them to Jordan. If you want them tortured, send them to Syria. And if you want someone to disappear for good, send them to Egypt." Not the exact wording but I'll find the name and source for you if you want it. By the same token I fully believe you when you say they wouldn't do it for lack of percentage. But believe me in my 25 or so years of thinking teen and adult life I've seen vast numbers of people do vast numbers of very odd things for vast numbers of very odd perceived percentages that would never even occur to me. What I'm saying is that just because you're in your right mind doesn't make everyone else that way. Sincerely Ecke 2011/3/20 P. J. Alling <webstertwenty...@gmail.com>: > > You know, Ecki man, I love you but I'm bowing out of this conversation. > There's no reasoning with you. You seem to be completely paranoid on this > matter. You seem to be impervious to fact and logic. Oh, and by the way, > I'm getting pretty tired of hearing that water boarding is "torture". I > have friends who have undergone training to withstand interrogation, and > being water boarded is part of the training. It's a thoroughly unpleasant > experience, but calling it torture is like saying being slapped with a wet > towel is the same as being whipped with a bull whip. One will cause your > flesh to sting, the latter will rip it off. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
