> > Why is it that whenever someone raises this point, they always fail > to recognize that the people who are subjected to waterboarding also > are > subjected to it in training. They know how it works. It's just that > it's unpleasant enough to remain effective. >
the evidence suggests that it's not effective. But that's not what matters, what matters is the moral issue. Even if it was 100% effective it would still be wrong and we should not do it. > That said, I'd gladly submit myself to waterboarding if you'll allow me > to deploy any of the tactics typically used by the people being > subjected to it in return. > that's a damn silly thing to say, the sort of thing you hear in playgrounds. We're supposed to be different from those people. Use of their tactics makes us indistinguishable and means we have lost the fight to defend and promote our values. B > -- Walt > > On 3/20/2011 5:10 AM, Bob W wrote: > > There's an enormous difference between undergoing something > voluntarily for > > training, carried out by people on your own side, in conditions where > you > > are in control, where you know the outcome and you know when it will > end, > > and being subjected to the same thing by your enemies while you're > kept in > > solitary confinement with no access to anyone else, not knowing where > you > > are, against your will, time after time for months and years, not > knowing > > when it will be over, but knowing that it's going to happen again and > again > > and again, and listening for the steps in the corridor that tell you > they're > > coming back. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
