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I suppose the agreement we have achieved regarding Perfect Sign is what Peirce must have meant when distinguishing between absolute truth and what we do not doubt. This analysis of our ultimate end of action is ready to be deliberately adopted because it recommends itself in itself. It is an admirable ideal. It possesses esthetic goodness. I think this opinion is true. I judge it to be good. This is the upon which I am prepared and willing to act. That is, it is assured that I am not engaged in “moral evil”, for I am engaged in the active pursuit of *this*. *In accordance with this, what you cannot in the least help believing is not, justly speaking, wrong belief. In other words, for you it is the absolute truth. * *True, it is conceivable that what you cannot help believing to-day, you might find you thoroughly disbelieve to-morrow. * *In every stage of your excogitations, there is something of which you can only say, “I cannot think otherwise,” and your experientially based hypothesis is that the impossibility is of the second kind. * *Of course, that ultimate state of habit to which the action of self-control ultimately tends, where no room is left for further self-control, is, in the case of thought, the state of fixed belief, or perfect knowledge. * *Two things here are all-important to assure oneself of and to remember. * *The first is that a person is not absolutely an individual. * *The second thing to remember is that the man’s circle of society is a sort of loosely compacted person, in some respect of higher rank than the person of an individual organism. **But when a person finds himself in the society of others, he is just as sure of their existence as of his own, though he may entertain a metaphysical theory that they are all hypostatically the same ego.* *It is these two things alone that render it possible for you,- but only in the abstract, and in a Pickwickian sense,- to distinguish between absolute truth and what you do not doubt. * With best wishes, Jerry R On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt <[email protected]> wrote: > Helmut, List: > > Obviously one should read the entire context of the quote, and not jump to > conclusions based on the mere snippet that I offered to address a very > specific point. > > CSP: ... an ultimate end of action *deliberately *adopted,--that is to > say, *reasonably *adopted,--must be a state of things that *reasonably > recommends itself in itself* aside from any ulterior consideration. It > must be an *admirable ideal*, having the only kind of goodness that such > an ideal *can *have, namely, esthetic goodness. From this point of view > the morally good appears as a particular species of the esthetically good. > (CP 5.130, EP 2:201; 1903) > > > Any end of action that fails this test is "An aim which cannot be adopted > and consistently pursued ... It cannot properly be called an *ultimate > aim* at all." Therefore, anyone who actively pursues it is engaged in > "moral evil." > > Regards, > > Jon S. > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Helmut Raulien <[email protected]> wrote: > >> List, >> the quote: >> >> CSP: But the instant that an esthetic ideal is proposed as an ultimate >> end of action, at that instant a categorical imperative pronounces for >> or against it ... So then, it appears to me that any aim whatever which >> can be consistently pursued becomes, as soon as it is unfalteringly >> adopted, beyond all possible criticism, except the quite impertinent >> criticism of outsiders. An aim which cannot be adopted and consistently >> pursued is a bad aim. It cannot properly be called an *ultimate aim* at >> all. The only moral evil is not to have an ultimate aim. (CP 5.133, EP >> 2:202; 1903) >> >> is completely evil, isn´t it? It could be from Hitler or the IS. Had >> Peirce eaten, drunk, or smoked something wrong before writing it? >> Best, Helmut >> 16. März 2018 um 22:34 Uhr >> >> "Jon Alan Schmidt" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Gene, List: >> >> Thanks for your comments and questions. >> >> To clarify, all that I meant by "morally responsible Persons" was how I >> defined "Person" in the previous thread on "Metaphysics of >> Semiosis"--namely, "an embodied metaphysical Quasi-mind who additionally >> has a *center of consciousness*, which provides a *unity of feeling* to >> coordinate the corresponding continuity of reactions and bundle of habits," >> which "is what makes it possible to recognize the *Inner World* and >> distinguish it from the *Outer World*," and thus exercise *self-control*. >> As such, *every* Person is (by definition) "morally responsible"; i.e., >> subject >> to moral approval *or *disapproval, praise *or *blame. >> >> The idea of *voluntary *participation comes from Peirce's remark that "the >> ideal of conduct will be to execute our little function in the operation of >> the creation by giving a hand toward rendering the world more reasonable >> whenever, as the slang is, it is 'up to us' to do so." I have no objection >> to your suggestion that people can and do also participate unwittingly, or >> even unwillingly; but my point was to highlight the specific *ethical >> *implication >> that Peirce drew from his identification of the *esthetic *ideal, the *summum >> bonum*. >> >> >> CSP: But the instant that an esthetic ideal is proposed as an ultimate >> end of action, at that instant a categorical imperative pronounces for >> or against it ... So then, it appears to me that any aim whatever which >> can be consistently pursued becomes, as soon as it is unfalteringly >> adopted, beyond all possible criticism, except the quite impertinent >> criticism of outsiders. An aim which cannot be adopted and consistently >> pursued is a bad aim. It cannot properly be called an *ultimate aim* at >> all. The only moral evil is not to have an ultimate aim. (CP 5.133, EP >> 2:202; 1903) >> >> >> As you might expect, my own rather traditional Christian theism is such >> that I part ways with Peirce on certain matters of religious philosophy. >> Statements like "sin is a creation of God" and "God delights in evil," >> which are from R 890 (no date), are very much in that category. What he >> wrote in "Evolutionary Love," amid various quotes from the Gospel and >> Epistle of John, is similar but somewhat less problematic for me. >> >> >> CSP: Nevertheless, the ontological gospeller ... made the One Supreme >> Being, by whom all things have been made out of nothing, to be >> cherishing-love. What, then, can he say to hate? ... His statement that >> God is love seems aimed at that saying of Ecclesiastes that we cannot >> tell whether God bears us love or hatred. "Nay," says John, "we can >> tell, and very simply! We know and have trusted the love which God hath >> in us. God is love." There is no logic in this, unless it means that God >> loves all men ... We are to understand, then, that as darkness is merely >> the defect of light, so hatred and evil are mere imperfect stages of >> {agapé} and {agathon}, love and loveliness ... That is to say, God >> visits no punishment on them; they punish themselves, by their natural >> affinity for the defective. Thus, the love that God is, is not a love of >> which hatred is the contrary; otherwise Satan would be a coordinate >> power; but it is a love which embraces hatred as an imperfect stage of it, >> an Anteros--yea, even needs hatred and hatefulness as its object. For >> self-love is no love; so if God's self is love, that which he loves must >> be defect of love; just as a luminary can light up only that which >> otherwise would be dark ... >> >> Everybody can see that the statement of St. John is the formula of an >> evolutionary >> philosophy, which teaches that growth comes only from love, from I will not >> say self-*sacrifice*, but from the ardent impulse to fulfill another's >> highest impulse ... Love, recognizing germs of loveliness in the hateful, >> gradually warms it into life, and makes it lovely. That is the sort of >> evolution which every careful student of my essay "The Law of Mind" must >> see that *synechism *calls for. (CP 6.287-289; 1893) >> >> >> From my own perspective, rather than Peirce's--the bad news of the Law is >> that all men (and women) are evil and inclined to hatred, and separated >> from God accordingly; but the good news of the Gospel is that God indeed >> loves all men (and women) anyway, and sent His only Son ("the Word became >> flesh," John 1:14) to die and rise again in order to redeem us and restore >> us to a right relationship with Him. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jon S. >> >> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:27 PM, Eugene Halton <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Jon S, >>> I enjoyed reading your Additament article. >>> In your post from this morning you say: " As embodied metaphysical >>> Quasi-minds, we are both constituents and interpreters of the Universe >>> as God's great Symbol and Argument. Furthermore, as morally responsible >>> Persons, we can also be contributors to it--we have the opportunity >>> (and privilege) to participate voluntarily in God's still-unfolding >>> creative activity. The Perfect Sign thus serves as an ideal, or regulative >>> hope, which would be achieved if all of us were to become fully welded >>> with the eternal Mind who is our Creator." >>> >>> Accepting for the moment the context of your argument, I'm >>> wondering, if I understand you correctly, why you seem to limit human >>> contribution to ongoing creation to "morally responsible Persons," and >>> participation to "voluntarily." What about "aesthetically expressive >>> Persons" contributing, and participating, say, from a deeply enraptured >>> wonder beyond simply voluntary? >>> >>> And, and I realize I am pushing it, what about the possibility of >>> "morally irresponsible Persons," or even of evil as a contributor to >>> ongoing creation? I realize this is an offputting idea, it is for me. But >>> Hillary Putnam quoted a passage from a Peirce unpublished manuscript (I >>> don't have its number): "The only solution to the problem of evil is to >>> recognize that the Supreme Love embraces hate as a variety of itself, and >>> that sin is a creation of God, and as such, is good in certain stage[s] of >>> development. God delights in evil." >>> >>> Gene Halton >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Jon Alan Schmidt < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> List: >>>> >>>> >>>> If my latest hypothesis is correct that the Universe is the Perfect >>>> Sign, what would be its Object? What is perpetually acting upon it with >>>> new Signs that give it fresh energy and kindle its previously dormant >>>> energy? What has the absolute freedom to introduce spontaneous changes >>>> into it? In other words, what *sustains* the Universe as something >>>> that is living and growing, rather than succumbing to "the complete >>>> induration of habit reducing the free play of feeling and the brute >>>> irrationality of effort to complete death" (CP 6.201; 1898)? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> CSP: ... the Universe is a vast representamen, a great symbol of God's >>>> purpose, working out its conclusions in living realities. Now every symbol >>>> [3ns] must have, organically attached to it, its Indices of Reactions [2ns] >>>> and its Icons of Qualities [1ns]; and such part as these reactions and >>>> these qualities play in an argument, that they of course play in the >>>> Universe, that Universe being precisely an argument. (CP 5.119, EP >>>> 2:193-194; 1903) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Consistent with the conclusion of my recently published essay, "A >>>> Neglected Additament: Peirce on Logic, Cosmology, and the Reality of >>>> God," the Dynamic Object of the Universe as the Perfect Sign is its perfect >>>> Utterer, *God Himself*, infinitely incomprehensible to us. Its >>>> Immediate Object is *God's purpose*, which is the development of >>>> Reason, including the growth of our knowledge of God and of this Universe >>>> that He has created--*and is still creating*. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> CSP: This development of Reason consists, you will observe, in >>>> embodiment, that is, in manifestation. The creation of the universe, which >>>> did not take place during a certain busy week, in the year 4004 B.C., but >>>> is going on today and never will be done, is this very developement of >>>> Reason. I do not see how one can have a more satisfying ideal of the >>>> admirable than the development of Reason so understood. The one thing whose >>>> admirableness is not due to an ulterior Reason is Reason itself >>>> comprehended in all its fullness, so far as we can comprehend it. (CP >>>> 1.615, EP 2:255; 1903) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is the *summum bonum* in accordance with the normative science of >>>> esthetics. Peirce went on to draw the corresponding ethical and >>>> logical implications, since what he described as "Practice" and "Theory" in >>>> EP 2:304 correspond to "embodiment" and "manifestation" here, respectively. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> CSP: Under this conception, the ideal of conduct will be to execute >>>> our little function in the operation of the creation by giving a hand >>>> toward rendering the world more reasonable whenever, as the slang is, it is >>>> "up to us" to do so. In logic, it will be observed that knowledge is >>>> reasonableness; and the ideal of reasoning will be to follow such methods >>>> as must develop knowledge the most speedily. (CP 1.615, EP 2:255; 1903) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As embodied metaphysical Quasi-minds, we are both *constituents* and >>>> *interpreters* of the Universe as God's great Symbol and Argument. >>>> Furthermore, >>>> as morally responsible Persons, we can also be *contributors* to >>>> it--we have the opportunity (and privilege) to participate >>>> *voluntarily *in God's still-unfolding creative activity. The Perfect >>>> Sign thus serves as an ideal, or regulative hope, which *would* be >>>> achieved if all of us *were* to become fully welded with the eternal >>>> Mind who is our Creator. >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA >>>> Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman >>>> www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt >>>> >>> > > ----------------------------- > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > [email protected] . 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