I am sorry but if you are begining with " If commens means the sum at any time of whatever everybody happens to come up with,..." I am obliged, on Peirce's list to give the floor to peirce on this subject : " There is the Intentional Interpretant, which is a determination of the mind of the utterer; the Effectual Interpretant, which is a determination of the mind of the interpreter; and the Communicational Interpretant, or say the Cominterpretant, which is a determination of that mind into which the minds of utterer and interpreter have to be fused in order that any communication should take place. This mind may be called the commens. It consists of all that is, and must be, well understood between utterer and interpreter, at the outset, in order that the sign in question should fulfill its function. This I proceed to explain. No object can be denoted unless it be put into relation to the object of the commens. A man, tramping along a weary and solitary road, meets an individual of strange mien, who says, "There was a fire in Megara." If this should happen in the Middle United States, there might very likely be some village in the neighborhood called Megara. Or it may refer to one of the ancient cities of Megara, or to some romance. And the time is wholly indefinite. In short,nothing at all is conveyed, until the person addressed asks, "Where?"—"Oh about half a mile along there" pointing to whence he came. "And when?" "As I passed." Now an item of information has been conveyed, because it has been stated relatively to a well-understood common experience. Thus the Form conveyed is always a determination of the dynamical object of the commind. By the way, the dynamical object does not mean something out of the mind. It means something forced upon the mind in perception, but including more than perception reveals. It is an object of actual Experience." (EP p.478) Best regards Robert
Le lun. 18 mai 2020 à 23:44, <[email protected]> a écrit : > Jerry R., List, > > To act means to get on with life. If commens means the sum at any time > of whatever everybody happens to come up with, we can each develop > whatever aims we want, at any time, as we go along. > > From your wording here do you seem to be allowing for this. > > I therefore don't quite get why you earlier remarked you didn't believe > what I took most of the others as edging towards (which I tried to > expand on - as far as I understood - in my response of a few minutes > ago). > > Michael M., linguist, UK > > On 2020-05-18 21:25, Jerry Rhee wrote: > > > Dear Cecile, list, > > > > Why not? > > > > I mean, isn’t belief supposedly _that_ upon which one is prepared to > > act? > > > > What, then, is _that_ belief? > > > > Let us take our situation, then. > > > > We have utterers and interpreters (and presumably a commens > > somewhere). > > > > And if we take Peirce at his word, then the only moral evil is not to > > have an ultimate aim. So where is it? What is our ultimate aim? > > > > From what I see, that aim is nebulous. > > > > And since we are all Peirceans and we have continued to investigate > > such things, > > > > then it must be Peirce’s intention for us to argue over such things > > until we come to an agreement. But that end comes at the end, not at > > the beginning. > > > > Best, > > > > Jerry R > > > > On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 3:04 PM Cécile Menieu-Cosculluela > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Why not? I thought it did sound very interesting indeed... > >> > >> ------------------------- > >> > >> DE: "Jerry Rhee" <[email protected]> > >> À: "Helmut Raulien" <[email protected]> > >> CC: "Gary Fuhrman" <[email protected]>, "peirce-l" > >> <[email protected]> > >> ENVOYÉ: Lundi 18 Mai 2020 21:18:19 > >> OBJET: Re: RE: [PEIRCE-L] To put an end to the false debate on the > >> classification of signs > >> > >> Dear Helmut, list, > >> > >> What an interesting observation. > >> > >> _meh_.. I don’t believe it. > >> > >> With best wishes, > >> Jerry R >
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