Jim wrote: > The problem seems to arise because there are are > different meanings to the word "winning." That is, > winning _what_? does an election simply replace one > bourgeois bozo with a more intelligent and articulate > one? If so, that's winning for the latter. But is it > winning from a leftist point of view? that is, does it > increase the organization and consciousness of the > working class?
Thanks for confirming my point. Let's go back to your first reply. What did you mean by "winning" then? Obviously, you meant "winning" as in (1) "Advancing the substantial causes of the left." Clearly, you did not mean "winning" as in (2) "Defeating bozo McCain and electing bozo Obama." The latter interpretation would make no sense, since we already know that bozo McCain was defeated (in the narrow sense of the word "defeat"). So, why do you have to dissert now about the different meanings of the word "winning"? Again, I was not confused about what you meant. If I had said, "Jim, what do you mean 'not winning'? We won! We defeated McCain!", then you would have had a reason to straighten things out for me. The different meanings of "winning" are a matter because, in your second reply, to escape the charge of immutability, you needed to switch from "winning" v.1 to "winning" v.2. But since it was you who mixed up the meanings, alluding now to the different meanings of "winning" would only make sense if the intended target of your semantic clarification were yourself. But nowhere do you write that you forgot or mistook "winning" v.1 for "winning" v.2 in your second reply, and that now you want to admit you were wrong or slipped by conflating the issue. On the contrary, you make your remarks as if it was me or other readers who were confused about these meanings. My best guess is that is another decoy. So you are compounding the mischief here. In your first reply, you claim that the left cannot win v.1 in elections by voting and should limit itself to propaganda work. In your second reply, you backpedal on that, but not wanting people to notice, you mix up winning v.1 with winning v.2. Now you smuggle your own deliberate confusion as if it had been introduced by me. Wow. Now I expect you to act offended. Am I implicitly accusing you of dishonesty? Etc. Well, let's say that we're just dealing with 1% of our communication problems. Again, I'll try and work on the other 99%. _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
