Ron wrote:

> Your hope is reasonable, but how do pen-l members define projects that will
> make a difference?

Good questions.

Here's a silly lesson from the empirical work that has been done on
game theory, a lesson that one can use in reference to Michael's point
on how his intended original goal with PEN-L hasn't yet panned out.
When most people (I should probably speak for myself) try a new game,
usually we do not have the patience to analyze it and use some sort of
systematic approach to spot a solution.  Even in high-stake games, if
time is of the essence, we take quick though not necessarily well
pondered action.  So we try a random approach and see where it leads.
It is only after repeating the game that, by trial and error, we start
to isolate approaches that lead to better results, etc.  So to speak:
Our initial approach is "numerical," not "analytical."

So, let me reformulate my question a little: Knowing what we now know
about how these lists work, how they make it easier for us to go
against one another in infantile penis-size contests (because this is
a mostly male environment), etc., how should we proceed to induce
mutual collaboration in concrete struggles, here or wherever?  Isn't
it times to evaluate results and draw inferences?

First off, it makes no sense to complain about the raw material,
ourselves as we are.  It is what it is, as we now say.  Personally, I
devote a certain amount of focused energy (much less than I'd like,
but that's a separate problem) to three organizations with very
different (yet convergent, in terms of class struggle) agendas.  Most
of this work is outside the e-world.  Or, I should rather say, the
e-world is a used as an instrument to the work in the r-world.  Now,
whenever any of these structures gets into email discussions, people
get all riled up over things that do not necessarily have immediate
practical implications.  I'm glad that my comrades in these
organizations do not pay much heed (if at all) to PEN-L or the other
two or three lists I typically browse or post to, because -- chances
are -- doing so would make them less inclined to interact with me.

But how about the upside of these lists?  I like the idea of having
contact with people in far-away places.  I like the idea of having
open-ended discussions (even heated debates) over issues that do not
have an immediate practical implication.  The question is, How can we
transform the general dynamics of these discussions to advance the
goals we do share?

Another random thought: I like Syriza's approach.  Alexis Tsipras is
saying (I'm paraphrasing, of course), "We are not anti-EU.  On the
contrary: The current managers of the EU are a disaster.  We will save
the EU.  We'll rebuild it around the interests of working people."
Translated into Communist-Manifestese:  Our response to the crisis
will be Greek and European in form, but Working-Class (yes, Global
Working-Class) in content.  (Cf. how Tsipras  refers to North-African,
Arab immigrants as an integral part of Europe, etc.)  Syriza is
sponsoring all sorts of conferences and discussions across European
left formations.  Right on.

So here's a couple of suggestions: In NYC, May Day actions are being
organized now by unions, OWS people, etc.  It'll be fun to march on
May Day with fellow PEN-Lers.   Some of us will be attending the Left
Forum in June, also in NYC.  We may want to stage some
Progressive-Economics teach-in somewhere in NYC (Times Square? Liberty
Square? Bryant Park? Washington Square? Union Square?  All of the
above?) on one or two of those Left-Forum days with a focus on
reducing the labor day, stopping environmental mayhem, demanding
job-growth policies, exposing the Democratic Party and Obama as the
worst enemies ever of the working class, explaining people why we
should hit it or else it won't fall, showing people why Marx was
right, or whatever the heck we fancy as our top political priority?
How about a debate on any of these issues at any of the places above?
Could URPE perhaps co-sponsor these actions?  I'll see to that. Any
chance we could hook up with people from the other interlinked lists?

I don't have my Gramsci nearby, but there's a piece in the Ordine
Nuovo in which he equates socialism as a movement with people becoming
*aware* of their amazing power as individuals, individual power that
can only find expression and multiply itself n-fold as a result of
cooperation with others, unity in action.  Look around, the rulers are
not doing a very good job.  We can definitely do better than them.
The bar they are setting is not that high, is it?
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