wow, David caught me! Yes, it's true that I have a very poor memory.
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:30 AM, David Shemano <[email protected]>wrote: > Jim Devine asks:**** > > ** ** > > “in popular language (or even technical language), is there any difference > of meaning between the words "freedom" and "liberty"? why do the money > libertarians like the word "liberty" more than "freedom"?**** > > inquiring minds want to know,”**** > > ** ** > > ----------------------------------**** > > ** ** > > From September 29, 2009, on this list:**** > > ** ** > > Jim Devine writes:**** > > ** ** > > >> BTW, why is it that money libertarians like the word "liberty" while*** > * > > >> most other people like the word "freedom"? Most people seem to use the* > *** > > >> two words interchangeably.**** > > ** ** > > Here is a theory. "Money libertarians," as you call them, are the > contemporary descendants of 19th Century "Liberalism," which term is rooted > in "Libertas," and Libertas is at root a legal status of a free-man (i.e. > not a slave). The term "freedom," on the other hand, through the efforts > of Germans like Hegel, and then transmitted to the English speaking world > through interpreters like T.H. Green, became associated with what you call > "positive freedom" (i.e. a free-man who makes a bad choice, or is limited > by circumstance in making choices, is not really "free"). Therefore, to > "money libertarians." liberty is a status relationship between man and the > state, while for the modern day Hegelians, freedom is more of a > psychological state of a man. Money libertarians, aware (contra Mr. > Andrews) of the efforts of the modern day Hegelians to minimize the > importance of legal status in order to justify state power, therefore, > prefer "liberty" rather than "freedom" as the ideal.**** > > ** ** > > David Shemano**** > > _______________________**** > > ** ** > > I suggest we pick a date in 2017 when Jim will be permitted to ask the > question again.**** > > ** ** > > David Shemano**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > -- Jim Devine / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your own way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante.
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