Phill,

Might I suggest that your characterizations
are far from accurate here, and I would certainly
not denigrate the UK government in this fashion.

You are, however, evading the key question
repeated below:
And just how does one get from Phill and friends
in perpass talking about clever schemes, to  "forcing"
all the governments, vendors, and providers of the
world to implement those schemes?
...especially when most those other governments
governments and a great many providers are now
scaling up their activities to instantiate more pervasive
surveillance in the infrastructure.  Or, is this all just
an academic exercise?

--tony
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