Immediately visible and OK. That is the problem. For state surveillance, there 
is no need for secrecy.

On Nov 5, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Eric Burger <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> I do not see how this can help. In fact, I see this as a very DANGEROUS 
> proposal.
> 
> The reason is precisely because all this proposal does is mean that ONLY the 
> NSA, GCHQ, MSS (PRC), and GRU gets to analyze all data. Worse, their secrets 
> stay secret, so there is no accountability.
> 
> Why do I say this? Because these organizations have the capability to take 
> the full firehose. They do not need to tap anything, they just insert an 
> extra router and they are in. No need for messy warrants, paid-off 
> corporations, or undercover ISP employees that are actually in the employ of 
> the government.
> 
> I do not get how link encryption helps at all. Please illuminate.
> 
> I am taking it as granted that someone who deploys a $500K router knows how 
> to initialize the crypto securely and that the systems would be performing 
> the usual PFS/ephemeral do-winkies. 
> 
> So inserting an extra router should be immediately visible.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Website: http://hallambaker.com/

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