On 9 January 2014 22:50, Jimmie Houchin <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree. I don't believe Igor intended to mean punishment, even if > punishment is what he said. He is not native to the English language or > idioms. > > When he spoke of the child, he spoke of allowing the consequence of the > child's actions to occur. Not that the parent punished the child. This is > very valid and in my opinion often preferred. You can explain and teach. > But at some point the individual will make a choice to abide by what was > taught or explained or to possibly test the teaching and see if it is true. > Children do this all the time. Their prime thought is to test what they are > taught and to challenge it. Only after a sufficient number of confirmations > do they give a certain amount of implicit trust to the teacher or parent. > > Fire in Igor's example is a common example for teaching children. Parent's > who childproof their home generally do their children and themselves a > disservice. I am a father of 10 children, 28-4 years of age. I have never > had a child burn themselves on a heater, or hurt themselves significantly > falling down the stairs. > > Consequences, good and bad are a prime means of learning. > > Exactly. I tried to say the same, but using less words.. because i thought this is a common knowledge and i don't have to be so verbose giving it as an example/argument in the discussion.
> But consequences should be appropriate for action. If we have within our > power, and sometimes we do and sometimes we don't, have the ability to > determine the consequences, then we should do so in consideration of what > we are protecting, rewarding, punishing. How do we want the standard of > behavior to be in that situation. > > Just my thoughts. > > Back to lurking. > > Jimmie > > > > > On 01/09/2014 03:30 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > >> I don't think Igor meant punishment as a tool, but rather experience >> something negative for yourself. >> >> I am sure that if you think back at your own development, there were >> instances where you did not listen to adults warning you and only learned >> certain things the hard way. >> >> Anyway, we're getting way off topic ;-) >> >> On 09 Jan 2014, at 22:25, Stephan Eggermont <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Igor, >>> >>> The way you describe the role of punishment in education is not in line >>> with current research. Most learning happens trough copying the behavior of >>> others, and punishment has a number of negative consequences on character >>> development, making it a non-suitable instrument. You might want to take a >>> look at the work done by Marshall Rosenberg on non-violent communication. >>> >>> Stephan >>> >> >> > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
