You know what is bad ? Simplifiications and Generalisations. The only thing that is predictable about humans is their unpredictability. Education is an extremely complex subject because humans are extremely complex in the way they think and feel. For example I have a phobia for dentists, yet never in my life I felt extreme pain on the chair of a dentists. I had almost panic attacks because I had to remove an impacted second horizontal wisdom tooth, took me 6 months to find the courage to do it and the experience was more than ok. On the other hand I removed a cyst on my throat , the size of a small marble ball, the local aneasthesia did not work and i felt load of pain (felt every cut by the surgeon for 45 minutes) yet , I was ok with it and never worried or afraid at all.
Educations is based on this extremely complex organ called "brain", that has scientists baffled about the exact way it works even with todays technology. I also read psychology from time to time, I am especially interested on cognitive psychology and as you would expect its an extremely complex science with tons of experimental data and theories that barely touch human thinking and feeling. The way I see it education is still in stone age, its clear that educational systems around the world fail spectacularly into motivating people to learn and find their true calling. As it is education is not able to treat people taking into their account their differences in the way they think and feel. But I would not let my daughter touch fire to learn why it should not touch fire, I would rather sit down and explain her and motivate her into thinking logically. Or else she may end up not having more than the intelligent of a worm. Cause even worm if put into a electrified labyrinth and each time it passes through a corridor is "punished" with touching the electrical fence , it learns which is the correct way to go. Is this how you want to treat people and education ? On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Igor Stasenko <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 10 January 2014 10:41, kilon alios <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I agree this is an excellent way to educate people at worse they can >> become pyromaniacs. >> >> >> There's sheer number of people who like to hurt themselves.. i doubt > there's anything you can do about it and (re)educate them that this is bad. > Exceptions only confirm the rule :) > > > > >> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Igor Stasenko <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 9 January 2014 22:30, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think Igor meant punishment as a tool, but rather experience >>>> something negative for yourself. >>>> >>>> right.. punishment as consequence of your own deeds, but not punishment >>> as a tool, >>> which you using against someone. >>> >>> >>>> I am sure that if you think back at your own development, there were >>>> instances where you did not listen to adults warning you and only learned >>>> certain things the hard way. >>>> >>>> why hard way? i think it is most easy way: you can explain for years to >>> people why they have to be careful with fire.. instead of letting them to >>> verify it and very fast and easy get to the same conclusion. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Anyway, we're getting way off topic ;-) >>>> >>>> On 09 Jan 2014, at 22:25, Stephan Eggermont <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Igor, >>>> > >>>> > The way you describe the role of punishment in education is not in >>>> line with current research. Most learning happens trough copying the >>>> behavior of others, and punishment has a number of negative consequences on >>>> character development, making it a non-suitable instrument. You might want >>>> to take a look at the work done by Marshall Rosenberg on non-violent >>>> communication. >>>> > >>>> > Stephan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >>> >> >> > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >
