guys this discussion is heading towards a non fruitful direction Let's remember why are we here?
"The purpose of the Smalltalk project is to provide computer support for the creative spirit in everyone." ~ D.H. Ingalls Do you know what are the psychological consequences of punishment feedback on creativity? Or you don't even admit psychology as science? The instant feature feedback is the ultimate education by experimentation tool. If we are not discussing that, which I think we are not, then what's in play here? People is not buying the screw your code if you did the wrong click idea for the UI I have no problem if that can be as a setting buried in some place interested geeks will surely find Anything beside that IMHO is way off topic so why take our precious time trying to discuss things we aren't basing on data and serious experiments? (experiments that should be validated by cognitive scientist, anyone in the room? or, the poor's man solution: usability tests, which I've already suggested,* any results on those?) sebastian o/ *http://blip.tv/business-of-software/steve-krug-on-the-least-you-can-do-about-usability-1566021 On Jan 10, 2014, at 9:49 AM, Igor Stasenko <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 10 January 2014 11:37, kilon alios <[email protected]> wrote: > You know what is bad ? Simplifiications and Generalisations. > > The only thing that is predictable about humans is their unpredictability. > Education is an extremely complex subject because humans are extremely > complex in the way they think and feel. For example I have a phobia for > dentists, yet never in my life I felt extreme pain on the chair of a > dentists. I had almost panic attacks because I had to remove an impacted > second horizontal wisdom tooth, took me 6 months to find the courage to do it > and the experience was more than ok. On the other hand I removed a cyst on my > throat , the size of a small marble ball, the local aneasthesia did not work > and i felt load of pain (felt every cut by the surgeon for 45 minutes) yet , > I was ok with it and never worried or afraid at all. > > Educations is based on this extremely complex organ called "brain", that has > scientists baffled about the exact way it works even with todays technology. > I also read psychology from time to time, I am especially interested on > cognitive psychology and as you would expect its an extremely complex > science with tons of experimental data and theories that barely touch human > thinking and feeling. > > The way I see it education is still in stone age, its clear that educational > systems around the world fail spectacularly into motivating people to learn > and find their true calling. As it is education is not able to treat people > taking into their account their differences in the way they think and feel. > > But I would not let my daughter touch fire to learn why it should not touch > fire, I would rather sit down and explain her and motivate her into thinking > logically. > > Keep trying. But when you find that your daughter laughs at you as someone > dumb and cheating behind your back when you can't see her, you'll going to > remember this discussion. > Also, teach her that any logical conclusions which not backed by physical > evidence worth nothing and having equal chance to be true of false. > You cannot earn trust by simply saying: listen to what i saying because i > know. > Going this way is asking for disaster. > You can put soft pillows everywhere in your house, so in case if someone will > fall, he won't be hurt.. but the problem is outside: there is no soft pillows > outside, and raising children in such soft-pillowed environment is very bad, > because then they are completely unprepared for real life, which is harsh, > crude and violent at times. > > You know, sometimes you have to fall on something hard, to realize that you > have to be careful. > Again kids: this happens a lot to kids once they learn how to stand and then > walk and then run.. they fall constantly, hurt themselves, and this is the > way they learn what moves are safe and what could lead to bad effects. > And again, you can spend years explaining to your kid how to walk, how to > move legs and how to run.. > So, good luck with teaching kid how to walk, without letting kid fall and > hurt oneself. > > Or else she may end up not having more than the intelligent of a worm. Cause > even worm if put into a electrified labyrinth and each time it passes through > a corridor is "punished" with touching the electrical fence , it learns which > is the correct way to go. Is this how you want to treat people and education > ? > > > Again extreme side of spectrum. Haven't you thought that maybe it is because > worms are so primitive, that this is the only way to "teach" them or > stimulate their "intelligence"? > While, in case of humans, there's a lot more ways to teach. > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko.
