On 10 January 2014 10:47, Goubier Thierry <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Le 10/01/2014 10:41, kilon alios a écrit : > > I agree this is an excellent way to educate people at worse they can >> become pyromaniacs. >> > > And in a case I know, the fire burn was so high the kid lost two fingers > for life and all memories of the incident :( > > Well, if this is the analogy we're working with, I'll keep that dialog > (even if I find it quite annoying)... The implications of the reverse > attitude has just freaked me off. > > Taking extreme sides of a spectrum does not invalidates the rule. You want to prevent such accidents from happening, then you should be around to have a controlled experiment and be able to always abort it if something will go wrong. That's is your responsibility as parent. Same rule applies to all teachers, trainers and instructors... I wonder why i should state such trivialities, like nobody else knowing them. > Thierry > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Igor Stasenko <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On 9 January 2014 22:30, Sven Van Caekenberghe <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I don't think Igor meant punishment as a tool, but rather >> experience something negative for yourself. >> >> right.. punishment as consequence of your own deeds, but not >> punishment as a tool, >> which you using against someone. >> >> I am sure that if you think back at your own development, there >> were instances where you did not listen to adults warning you >> and only learned certain things the hard way. >> >> why hard way? i think it is most easy way: you can explain for years >> to people why they have to be careful with fire.. instead of letting >> them to verify it and very fast and easy get to the same conclusion. >> >> Anyway, we're getting way off topic ;-) >> >> On 09 Jan 2014, at 22:25, Stephan Eggermont <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> > Igor, >> > >> > The way you describe the role of punishment in education is >> not in line with current research. Most learning happens trough >> copying the behavior of others, and punishment has a number of >> negative consequences on character development, making it a >> non-suitable instrument. You might want to take a look at the >> work done by Marshall Rosenberg on non-violent communication. >> > >> > Stephan >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> >> >> > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des Systèmes Temps Réel Embarqués > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
