On 26 April 2010 08:41, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.duca...@inria.fr> wrote: > > On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:06 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Stef, >> >> I have read that Alien is not very good at calling functions - I have *no* >> idea whether that is fair, but we should check before adopting it. If it is >> indeed poor at them, I recommend using FFI until we or its maintainers can >> fix Alien. > > there are no such alien maintainers. There are us. >> Innndeeeddd :)
Besides, i plan to support callbacks in NativeBoost, so, you'll be able to handle callback without entering the interpreter & language-side (as well as entering - at your will ;). Handling a callbacks natively is waaay much faster than go all the way through calling interpret(), especially, when you need to do something very simple, like count bunnies :) So, Alien could use a NativeBoost as extension to do things faster, smoother & nicer :) >> Also, whatever we include should work on windows, mac and Linux. Alien >> seems to be getting close to read on Linux, but Laurent reported ugly >> crashes when trying to actually run it. That would not be good for a >> supported platform. >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> [mailto:pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane >> Ducasse >> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:05 PM >> To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] FFI in 1.1 >> >> Probably. >> There were some discussions that alien will be integrated / working also for >> the windows vm. >> So we will see which one I will let people with more experience telling that >> to us. >> >> Stef >> >> On Apr 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Stéphane Ducasse >>> <stephane.duca...@inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> yes communication with C library. so this is just a tool too. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Exactly. It is a tool. Not a dev tool in my opinion.In such way, >>>> SqueakDBX is also a tool. A tool to persist in a relational database. >>> >>> Mariano FFI/ALIEN is ***REALLY*** important to get the possibility to >>> call and write code in smalltalk as mentioned by john so this is more >>> central (closer to core) than openDBX or refactoring browser. >>> Look at lua... why lua is cool because he can be embeded seamlessly in >>> C and call C. So if we do not put pressure on FFI to support callback well >>> or ALIEN then we will stay this language that has problem to interact with >>> the outside world. >>> This is why having FFI in pharo-dev is important. We should be able to call >>> mac native menu. >>> Of course we should pay attention that we rely too much on C library >>> but the world is getting more complex and writing everything in >>> smalltalk is also costly. Not FFI/ALIEN can reduce our dependency to C >>> compilation and C-writing so this is already an important step. >>> Am I clear? >>> >>> >>> Yes, and I agree. However, that was not the discussion. I agree FFI is >>> important. I don't care to add it to PharoDev 1.1 if you agree with that. >>> But I STILL think and that's what I was discussing in the last mail, is >>> that FFI is NOT A DEV TOOL for me. >>> Anyway...forget this little discussion. >>> >>> In summary, should I add FFI when I start to build PharoDev 1.1 ? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Mariano >>> >>> Stef >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig. _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
