Igor, Looks cool, but I really would like to know the exact difference to Exupery?
For what I understand NativeBoost is no different to Exupery's low-level code generation infrastructure. Check out the Exupery documentation: <http://goran.krampe.se/exuperyDesign.pdf>. Some more questions about NativeBoost: - How do I send a message? - How do I evaluate a block passed as argument? - How do I access the VM state? Lukas On 26 April 2010 09:38, Igor Stasenko <siguc...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 26 April 2010 08:41, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.duca...@inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Apr 26, 2010, at 12:06 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >> >>> Stef, >>> >>> I have read that Alien is not very good at calling functions - I have *no* >>> idea whether that is fair, but we should check before adopting it. If it >>> is indeed poor at them, I recommend using FFI until we or its maintainers >>> can fix Alien. >> >> there are no such alien maintainers. There are us. >>> > Innndeeeddd :) > > Besides, i plan to support callbacks in NativeBoost, > so, you'll be able to handle callback without entering the interpreter > & language-side (as well as entering - at your will ;). > Handling a callbacks natively is waaay much faster than go all the way > through calling interpret(), > especially, when you need to do something very simple, like count bunnies :) > So, Alien could use a NativeBoost as extension to do things faster, > smoother & nicer :) > >>> Also, whatever we include should work on windows, mac and Linux. Alien >>> seems to be getting close to read on Linux, but Laurent reported ugly >>> crashes when trying to actually run it. That would not be good for a >>> supported platform. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> [mailto:pharo-project-boun...@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Stéphane >>> Ducasse >>> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 3:05 PM >>> To: Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] FFI in 1.1 >>> >>> Probably. >>> There were some discussions that alien will be integrated / working also >>> for the windows vm. >>> So we will see which one I will let people with more experience telling >>> that to us. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Apr 25, 2010, at 9:26 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Stéphane Ducasse >>>> <stephane.duca...@inria.fr> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> yes communication with C library. so this is just a tool too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Exactly. It is a tool. Not a dev tool in my opinion.In such way, >>>>> SqueakDBX is also a tool. A tool to persist in a relational database. >>>> >>>> Mariano FFI/ALIEN is ***REALLY*** important to get the possibility to >>>> call and write code in smalltalk as mentioned by john so this is more >>>> central (closer to core) than openDBX or refactoring browser. >>>> Look at lua... why lua is cool because he can be embeded seamlessly in >>>> C and call C. So if we do not put pressure on FFI to support callback well >>>> or ALIEN then we will stay this language that has problem to interact with >>>> the outside world. >>>> This is why having FFI in pharo-dev is important. We should be able to >>>> call mac native menu. >>>> Of course we should pay attention that we rely too much on C library >>>> but the world is getting more complex and writing everything in >>>> smalltalk is also costly. Not FFI/ALIEN can reduce our dependency to C >>>> compilation and C-writing so this is already an important step. >>>> Am I clear? >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, and I agree. However, that was not the discussion. I agree FFI is >>>> important. I don't care to add it to PharoDev 1.1 if you agree with that. >>>> But I STILL think and that's what I was discussing in the last mail, is >>>> that FFI is NOT A DEV TOOL for me. >>>> Anyway...forget this little discussion. >>>> >>>> In summary, should I add FFI when I start to build PharoDev 1.1 ? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Mariano >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Pharo-project mailing list >>>> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
