On 12.03.2010, at 15:27, Andrey Hristov wrote:

> Lukas,
> Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
>> On 12.03.2010, at 14:52, Jani Taskinen wrote:
>>> On 03/12/2010 03:43 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
>>>> Because no decision has been made. Jani is creating facts without
>>>> basis. Furthermore normal development is continuing on the branches
>>>> we decided to have. Now there is suddenly a 5.4. The point in time
>>>> when we branch off a new trunk shouldn't be Jani deciding this
>>>> because he is pissed off because there are open OB bugs.
>>> Where the hell did you imagine that one? I'm not pissed at or about 
>>> anything. We can continue with the status quo for all I care, but don't 
>>> start deleting other people's work just because you don't like me.
>> Jani this has nothing to do with liking or not liking you. Actually I 
>> usually get along just fine with you. I still remember that you were the 
>> first core guy I ever had direct contact with and I also appreciate still 
>> how fast you fixed that IMAP bug I reported back then. But I did not 
>> appreciate the actions you took yesterday. I totally that current trunk is a 
>> stumbling block. But I cannot agree with you first committing something to 
>> 5_3 which the RM specifically said not to merge and then creating a branch 
>> without consent. Again there are commits going into 5_3 now which are for 
>> example not being merged in 5_4 atm and why should people do this? We can 
>> find a more sensible time point for the merge, more importantly we first 
>> need to make a decision on dropping current trunk into a branch or not.
> well, when nobody was doing nothing because nobody did not want to be the 
> first one to do something Jani decided to do something and stir the soup. 
> Sometimes you need a shock to the system to restart it.

heh .. lets just say a few others have chosen to go a path that isnt about just 
causing chaos to force a decision. then again this make these people (i am one 
of them (*)) back stabbers. anyways .. if this is the perception .. thats its 
ok to commit something into a stable branch that was specifically said to be 
left out and as a reaction creating a new branch (instead of at least first 
reverting) when people call you out, then uhm .. then nevermind. so why dont we 
just shut down this list and just send each other mails via commit log messages?

imho jani's commit access should be revoked until we have sorted out our 
release plan for the future, because he has shown that he has no patience to 
respect other people's opinions and so we can alleviate him of doing stupid 
things to release his anxiety. but i guess i am just being a rule loving german 
here .. or am i just the only one with enough guts to say this?

Lukas Kahwe Smith

(*) i was actually talking to various people since this weekend to be able to 
present a substantiated argument to move trunk to a branch and copy 5_3 to 
trunk and also be able to present something of a vision for moving forward. 
interestingly enough other people were also just in the process to do the same. 
now this would have taken a week or two longer .. but imho it would have been a 
cleaner way to do things .. or of course you can also say that jani is the 
honest and direct guy and those others are just political schemers.

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