At 01:40 31-08-01, Manuel Lemos wrote:
>Whoever hears you may even believe that Microsoft products and
>supporting sites are successful because they don't have flaws. Sorry,
>but honestely this sounds like an excuse for not doing it.

Microsoft chooses which sites it links from *very* carefully 
- a very small select number of sites gets connected to it, and usually 
only for specific purposes (e.g., a specific article).  If you draw a 
comparison to the PHP world, you actually proved my point.

>The problem is not PHP-GUI capabilities being able to compete with other
>languages. The problem is that you seem to be willing to omit them when
>you present PHP as if it is something you don't want PHP be known for.

I actually mention PHP-GTK in my sessions.  I mention it as an anecdote, 
much like I mention some of the other interesting modules and projects in 
PHP (e.g., PEAR).  I'm really not sure why people think I'm trying to bury 
PHP-GTK.  Just because I don't see PHP-GTK as a main course of PHP, doesn't 
mean I don't think it's an important and useful project.

>In this company, they have choose Microsoft stuff because they think it
>is the right choice for what they do. For some things, PHP could be a
>better choice, but it would be hard to convince who is in charge above
>me because PHP does not benefit of a great credibility in the market
>that would help me to make a good case to switch to PHP.

In the US (and perhaps in the rest of America), that's relatively 
true.  That's not the case in Europe or the far east.  It has a lot to do 
with mentality and corporate culture.

>  This is my most
>important point: to make PHP a credible well known solution in all
>markets that it could be used with advantage.

I don't think you'd find anybody who would argue with you about that.


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