It was 6/8/04 12:28 pm, when Bob Smith wrote:
 
> True, but they are radically different from raw files which is really
> the discussion here.

Bob, difficult to talk about one without the other. I was just defending
JPEG, not trashing Raw.

>A few posts back you compared raw to neg and jpeg
> to a transparency.  I think a more appropriate comparison is that the
> raw is the neg while the jpeg is the print.

So would I if I hadn't heard of Photoshop. Purposing a full quality JPEG is
really not that different to purposing a scan from a tranny saved as a TIFF.
Hence, I prefer to liken a camera JPEG to a tranny.

> Would you send your film
> to the lab and tell them to just toss the negs and give you only the
> prints? That's essentially what you're doing when you shoot in camera
> jpegs.  

Well, not really. You still have your "original" full quality JPEG "tranny"
to tweak and to make copies and to print from. It's just that you have less
leeway for correction but that assumes you've exposed badly, you didn't do a
proper color balance, you sharpened your JPEG in-camera, etc. If you shoot a
decent Raw, it should be fairly close to the JPEG original. And that's what
I was getting at. Is that slight difference worth the 80 hours processing
time? It may be from the billing POV but if you want a life, or experiment,
you have to make a judgement call. Nine times out of ten, the difference in
quality is insignificant - if you exposed your raw properly...and that's
where the comparison with shooting trannies comes in. I'm not saying do NOT
shoot raw. Horses for courses.

> If processed properly, the prints may be great but if anything
> at all needs correcting its a heck of a lot better to be making those
> corrections using the original neg than by altering a print.  Same is
> true for raw digital data.

That would be true if you junked your original JPEG.

> Martin's point about Kodaks being designed around a raw file workflow
> is spot on.  It's a completely opposite design philosophy from that
> employed by Nikon.

Absolutely. I suspect that's why sports photographers prefer Nikon to Kodak.
Horses for courses?...


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