Well, all I can say is that your definition of 'worship' is way different from mine and the Christian-accepted view as well. You define it in such broad terms as to have no meaning - especially in this context. We are not talking about mere enfatuation or brad support etc, we are talking about the kind of worship that places a man in the place of God. THAT is not happening and if you think it is then may I suggest that the comments about you needing 'help' are no longer jocular but genuine.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Friday, 13 February 2009 10:37 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Mounting National Debt May Be More Dangerous Than Terrorists > You sure can post long but even after the preponderance of words it > still > seems like you are seeing what you want to regarding worship of Obama > and > your belief that people are treating him like a god. If we exclude the > literally insane and the usual suspects we are left with people that > are > excited by him; love him and believe in him (non-spiritual belief). > That is > a LONG LONG way from worship. Bull. Christian metaphysics contends that we are beings designed for worship--it's part of being created in God's image, a triune being: body, soul and spirit. We will worship something, question is what, and whether it's conscious (voluntary) or not. People are worshipping this guy. The wife of the man I work with right now is so infatuated with him, any point I make about him even slightly in the negative or skeptical is taken personally. And my partner loves Hillary and has a certifiable case of Bush Derangement Syndrome--though he's not 100% an Obamatron. He refuses to hear any criticism, like you, "until we see what he does" as if he hasn't done anything yet. It's insane. > People behave in truly weird and > indescribable > ways especially when under stress or when overly excited. Euphoria and > stress can make behaviours look quite strange. And when they worship a false god, bad things happen. > > I honestly think you are grossly and unfairly characterizing the > reactions > to Obama as worship - ie SPIRITUAL worship by the proper biblical > definition. Who is calling Obama their god? And I mean that > unequivocally, > not by some trick of misinterpreting language. > > I think you are grossly overreacting http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/l-640-480-f7c45a 1e-fd2c-41ae-9509-022a1fe88f65.jpeg or http://tinyurl.com/c2qszu Same thing from a different angle: http://i723.photobucket.com/albums/ww240/dallasguy/IMG_0807.jpg or http://tinyurl.com/cw3cvq It's curious that you refuse to address my specific points. I want to believe I'm overreacting. I really do. Your blanket assertions about my personal state of mind are cold comfort. You seem to want to believe the best as vehemently as I believe the worst. But the evidence all around me won't let me believe what I'm seeing is innocent or healthy. Julio was one of at least four case studies in just that one townhall of obscene man-worship of Obama. I know what "liberation theology" is from my Catholic background. I know about "black liberation theology" which is what Obama's 20-year pastor preached from trinity united. The photos above surprise me not at all. This is what Obama is all about. Marxism via religion. In any case, a friend of mine who happens to be the worship pastor at the church I attend today agreed with you this far: I am being too "judgmental" of guys like Julio, and ignoring one important fact, which is clear from the book of Daniel. God sets up leaders, and he tears them down, all for His ultimate glory and purpose. At the end of the day no leader of this world, not Bush, not Obama, not even Amhedinejad or Hitler, has a pot to piss in without God's grace. Even supposing Obama is evil, even supposing all these people are blindly worshipping him, it doesn't mean I need to be shaken or angered by it all. Daniel's calm while serving some of the most vain, evil leaders in history should be a model. I do need to surrender all this stuff I know and trust that God has it under control, and everything that happens is for His glory, even if by our standards the consequences are tragic and unacceptable. Which reminds me: I owe Helio a response to his contention that God of the OT is a monster. And I owe Ricardo a response to his "challenge" (I almost called it a question, but then that wouldn't be Ricardo) about infant baptism. Not enough time in a day... - Bob [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
