You sure can post long but even after the preponderance of words it still seems like you are seeing what you want to regarding worship of Obama and your belief that people are treating him like a god. If we exclude the literally insane and the usual suspects we are left with people that are excited by him; love him and believe in him (non-spiritual belief). That is a LONG LONG way from worship. People behave in truly weird and indescribable ways especially when under stress or when overly excited. Euphoria and stress can make behaviours look quite strange.
I honestly think you are grossly and unfairly characterizing the reactions to Obama as worship - ie SPIRITUAL worship by the proper biblical definition. Who is calling Obama their god? And I mean that unequivocally, not by some trick of misinterpreting language. I think you are grossly overreacting -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Calco Sent: Friday, 13 February 2009 1:10 AM To: 'ProFox Email List' Subject: RE: [OT] Mounting National Debt May Be More Dangerous Than Terrorists > < I saw a soul in complete bondage to the god of this world> > > You saw exactly what you wanted and expected to see. This is exactly what people are doing with Obama. He even writes about this phenomenon in his book, when he declares himself to be a blank screen on which people project their hopes and dreams. It's a lot like the passage about how he learned to fool his mother into thinking he was off drugs finally, and the general lesson it taught him about disarming people's fears. > You choose to > twist a > person's words, misinterpret their actions, all to justify the paranoid > delusions that infect your thinking. When I read this: > > "Meanwhile, he's palpitating, declaring what a blessing the President's > mere > holy presence is, oh gracious god thank you, and lifting his hands in > joy > and adoration at every phrase that utters forth from his messiah's > lips." > > It makes me want to vomit. You are paranoid and perhaps genuinely in > need of > a little help and counseling. I wonder why you have such a reaction. I was just describing what the guy did and trying to counter your point that it wasn't some kind of worship. > > And I repeat my statement that despite your obvious learning, you are > not > seeing clearly. So, he wasn't breathing irregularly? He wasn't raising his hands, waiving his cap, continually throughout his dialog with Obama in joy and thanks? He didn't say "it's such a blessing to see you" or "oh gracious god thank you!"? These gestures are normal and mean nothing in particular? More to the point. He didn't ask the President of the United States what he was going to do to see to it a guy like him, who worked for McDonalds for four and a half years, would get "better" benefits (whatever he meant by that)? He wasn't basically praying to someone who represents a kind of god to him for something on the order of direct intervention in his life, with which he was fundamentally dissatisfied, despite having a steady job and being in school studying to fulfill a dream to become a disc jockey? In other words, he wasn't grateful for his blessings and opportunities, but rather he was expecting---no, demanding---more, and totally convinced his only way to get that was through oh gracious god thank you mr. president---is this not true? Was he not angry, with his hand in an aggressive posture, as he described his horrible job "situation"? Is he not only 19? Is it not unreasonable for him to be so angry and ungrateful to have a steady job with some benefits and an education opportunity? Was it a healthy spiritual attitude he was expressing? Is it spiritually healthy and right to have so many blessings and yet feel wronged and entitled to more? It's OK to bow before a man like that? When I saw him do those things, prostrating himself before the "powers and principalities of this world," fundamentally ungrateful and demanding more, more, more, that made me want to vomit. You refuse to see the powers behind Obama for what they are: spirits of wrath, envy, and entitlement. Obama's actions since becoming president do not belie hope over fear, but quite the opposite. "But it's only a few weeks in, give the man a chance, jeez" is not an argument---it's willful blindness to the facts. He's broken a great many of his promises already about ethics, lobbyists, FISA, gratuitous pork spending---but no matter, after all, all politicians do that, move alone, thou shall not call Obama out on his broken promises, la la la, we won't listen---and moving at an incredible pace to change so much so fast, not to make America better, but to solidify Democrat control of the government. No president before has made the census answerable to a partisan political operative---Bush didn't even do this with Rove. But Emmanuel, well known for his potty mouth and ruthless partisan tactics, is now the answer man for the census director, not the commerce secretary. He's hired a professional dirt digger with no legal qualifications to be the chief legal research director of the White House. How does that comport with his image as post partisan? The list of what he's actually, concretely done in the last three weeks is comparatively HUGE. His tactics to sell the "stimulus" are rooted in fear, panic, and pending doom, when in fact the very thing he's promoting is what is going to bring about prolonged pain and suffering---and not coincidentally he and his party needs both to have and hold power. I wonder about the source of this power, then I see a guy like Julio, or a woman like Henrietta, and it becomes obvious that this power is not of God. I want to be clear on the following points, since you seem all too eager to jump to conclusions about me just because my writing style can be a bit, shall we say, atavistic: 1. I don't "judge" Julio in the sense that "judging" as it is meant in the scripture "Judge not, lest ye be judged". I'm trying to discern the spirit behind his behavior, and the spirit behind Obama's power. Actually my heart breaks for him, because he is indeed spiritually bound (it's easy to mistake his gestures for being those of a pothead, but I doubt he can afford to buy pot), and it's evident by all of his words and behavior that he worships Obama. His facebook page is all about Obama, and he was wearing the image of Obama on his shirt. You however are eager to judge me---a phoney Christian, a fool, delusional, in need of psychiatric help, etc. Why do you personalize this so? I don't say anything of the sort to or about you, no matter how much I disagree with you about Obama. 2. I do think it's totally fair to discern spirits, which is often mistaken for being judgmental---indeed we have a scriptural mandate to test them and see if they are of God. Obama is the first politician to come around that raised my spiritual antennae in such a profoundly negative way. Why? Well first it was the way crowds around him acted. The feinting, the spontaneously huge gatherings. For what? His rhetoric is always vague and indecipherable (by design), but he has charisma, as you noted, at least when he's in front of a teleprompter. (His extemporaneous efforts are nowhere near as impressive, and usually come across as unfocused and long-winded.) But there is something else. The more I learned about him---his past, his books, his various statements over time---the less this figure of hope looked like hope, and the more he looked like doom, despair, anger, hate. He feeds on these things to derive his power like no one I've ever seen before. And he makes everyone feel so damn good about harboring those feelings and turning them to the works of man. I have listed a great many *facts* about his life that neither add up nor, taken in isolation, fit the image of the guy. All this people seem willing to look past for the sake of some "hope" that is a pure media production and has no basis in who the guy is, what he actually does, or what the people around him are actually like. Your insistence that we need to see what he will do before we come to any conclusions is nonsense to me. He has already done much, he has a history and a past that is knowable, and none of it meshes with the image of the guy that has been manufactured. It's not partly out of whack, or a little out of sorts, but totally out of phase. 3. Our fight, as it says in Ephesians, is not with flesh and blood, but with the powers and principalities of this world. So I'm not picking on Julio to pick on Julio---I am singling him out as a type of person who gives glory and power to these principalities. If after all this you are still going to sit back like some Ed or Helio groupie and accuse me of being insane, just so you can feel spiritually and intellectually superior, then I shall bother you no more. - Bob [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: [email protected] Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech Searchable Archive: http://leafe.com/archives/search/profox This message: http://leafe.com/archives/byMID/profox/[email protected] ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
