kasian bener si bleki ini, wawasannya ngga lebih luas dari kolornya. dia masih percaya dengan pemikiran primitif bahwa kemajuan sebuah negara ada hubungannya dengan agama. dia ngga tau kalo gereja2 di eropa itu sekarang kosong melompong karena bule2 itu udah males nyembah2 patung di dalemnya. dari 53% orang eropa yg masih percaya adanya tuhan, tentu saja ngga semuanya kresten. jadi seiring dengan kemajuan jaman, jumlah kresten di eropa justru makin menyusut.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism According to a 2005 Eurostat Eurobarometer poll, 52% of European Union citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", whereas 27% answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 18% that "they do not believe there is a spirit, God, nor life force". --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Sejak Kristen berkembang dari reformasi gereja di Eropa, Eropa jadi maju, > baik dr segi pengetahuan maupun segi peradaban. >  > Sebaliknya, sejak Islam berkembang di Timur Tengah, Afrika Utara dan Asia > Selatan, pengetahuan mundur, orang2nya jadi biadab. Di beberapa abad > pertama, memang msh ada perkembangan pengetahuan, krn merupakan sisa dr apa > yg ada sebelumnya. Tp setelah itu, ga ada apa2 lagi sampe di abad ke 20 > sebelum era minyak, di negara2 teluk Arab, kehidupan ga beda jauh dgn jaman > barbar era Muhammad. Di Mekkah pusat islam itu misalnya, orang msh jualan > budak. >  > Bahkan sekarang ini jg, di mana kebudayaan barat sdh banyak dikenal orang > Arab, orang2 arab itu masih jg biadab dgn nindas cewek dan kafir, nganiaya > tkw dll. >  > Apa keberhasilan Islam dlm peradaban? Ga lebih cuma ngebawa orang kr dunia > biadab dan bejad. >  >  > > From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@...> > >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:56 AM > >Subject: Re: [proletar] The sins of the fathers > > > > > > > >Blek omonganlu kagak jauh bedanya dengan omongan kolonialis > > > >tempo doeloe buktinya kita makan taik 350 taon > > > >________________________________ > >From: item abu <itemabu@...> > >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:41 PM > >Subject: Re: [proletar] The sins of the fathers > > > > > > > >Hehehe... Islam itu katanya ngatur segala aspek kehidupan, hukumnya keras > >dsb dsb. Nyatanya, setelah sekian abad Islam ada di satu daerah, orang2nya > >(jadi) biadab dan bejad. > > > >Lalu, apanya yg rahmatan lil alamin? Mana buktinya? > > > >Di Eropa, setelah reformasi gereja yg dilakukan oleh Martin Luther dan yg > >lainnya, rakyat jadi mengenal agama Kristen, ga lagi "agama" dimonopoli oleh > >gereja Katolik. Maka peradaban jadi membaik secara umum, kebiadabn menurun, > >sains maju dsb. Sampe ke era dimana liberalisme, feminisme, > >multiculturalisme dan segala macam BS nongol, membuat perabadan mundur lagi > >spt apa yg tjd sekarang. > > > >Jadi agama Kristen sdh membuktikan pengaruh positifnya ke masyarakat. > > > >Lalu, apa pengaruh positif Islam ke masyarakat? Yg ada adalah makin kuat > >Islamnya, makin biadab penindasan thd masyarakat dan makin goblok > >masyarakatnya. > > > > > > > >From: Sunny <ambon@...> > >>To: Undisclosed-Recipient@... > >>Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:08 AM > >>Subject: [proletar] The sins of the fathers > >> > >> > >> > >>http://www.dawn.com/2012/02/18/the-sins-of-the-fathers.html > >>The sins of the fathers > >>by Fahad Faruqui on February 18th, 2012 | Comments (24) > >> > >>Shakila was only eight-years-old when she and her cousin were abducted from > >>their home. One night, men armed with AK-47s barged into her house and > >>dragged her out as recompense for dishonoring an influential man in the > >>district. > >> > >>You may wonder how a girl of such tender age could have dishonored a grown > >>up? Well, she had nothing to do with the offense; the wealthy manâs wife, > >>however, had eloped with Shakilaâs uncle. And the wealthy man wanted > >>compensation the traditional way. > >> > >>The young girls were confined in a dark room for three months. After about > >>six months, they were allowed to wash their clothes for the first time. For > >>sustenance, they were provided bread and water every alternate day. And > >>they were repeatedly beaten. > >> > >>âThey tortured us in a way that no human being would treat another,â > >>Shakila said to the New York Times. > >> > >>Shakilaâs case is not a unique one when we talk of Afghanistan; young > >>girls are given away to make up for the wrongdoings of others, including > >>murder, adultery and anything thatâs not condoned by society. This custom > >>dates back to jahiliyyah (the age of ignorance). > >> > >>âFor the nomads, there were no police, there was no court of law, no > >>judge to organise the affairs of humans, so they resorted to the only > >>things they had, which were violence and killing,â said Nasrine Gross, a > >>sociologist, to the New York Times. > >> > >>âThen, when a problem doesnât get resolved, you offer the only things > >>you have: livestock is more precious than a girl because the livestock you > >>can sell, so you give two rifles, one camel, five sheep and then the girls > >>they can sell this way,â she added. > >> > >>The prevailing norm in the pre-Islamic era was subsequently criminalised > >>when Islamic laws were codified. And the reasoning for outlawing this > >>barbaric method of attaining justice (so to speak) is obvious: a girl is > >>not property that can be given away for slavery to settle the score for > >>someone elseâs misdeeds. > >> > >>This cultural form of justice â" in which a girl is traded to settle the > >>dispute â" is called âbaad.â The practice was deemed illegal as per > >>the Elimination of Violence against Women Act of 2009, but it continues to > >>prevail in Afghanistan. The reason given for the practice is the corruption > >>in the legal system, due to which people resort to âjirgas,â where the > >>local elders decide about what needs to be done. And, yes, giving away > >>women to settle the dispute is in the cards. > >> > >>One canât say how common it is for girls to be traded to nullify the > >>wrongdoings of someone else in the family. Even if a girl is married to a > >>member of the aggrieved family, it doesnât mean that she wonât be > >>maltreated. Taking a girl in marriage has the advantage of ensuring that > >>the feud will not continue because, by hook or by crook, the two families > >>become relatives. > >> > >>Shakilaâs cousin escaped. And the beatings intensified for Shakila. One > >>day she managed to escape and reach her sisterâs house. The family was > >>unable to recognise the malnourished Shakila. > >> > >>Whatâs most troubling is that the family is not against the practice â" > >>this should give you a sense of how deep-rooted this tradition is in > >>Afghanistan (and of course Pakistan). What troubled them was the fact that > >>at birth she was promised in marriage to her cousin in Pakistan, hence she > >>was not their âpropertyâ to give away. > >> > >>âWe did not mind giving girls,â Gul Zareen told the New York Times. > >>âBut she was not mine to give.â > >> > >>The ordeal didnât end there for Shakila. > >> > >>The wealthy man ordered his men to search for her. The terrified family > >>left their home in Naray, leaving behind their meager worldly possessions, > >>including a cow and two goats. Theyâve now moved across Kunar province to > >>the provincial capital of Asadabad. > >> > >>Shakilaâs father has no hope of returning home. > >> > >>Fahad Faruqui is a journalist, writer and educator. Alumni Columbia > >>University. You can email him at fahad@... > >> > >>The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments do > >>not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group. > >> > >>Print This Post Email This Post > >>24 Responses to " The sins of the fathers " > >>1.. SALMAN EBRAHIM says: > >>Yesterday at 6:30 pm > >>I as a Muslim have following to confess: > >>Many of our Muslim brethren are utterly confused about which code of > >>conduct they should follow. The religion which they profess deeply or the > >>traditions. Islam has nothing to do with whatever happened with the poor > >>girl. If this goes on and on then it will be a mockery of the religion we > >>are following. Islam is to practice and not to be heard again and again on > >>the culprit of mosque listening to the Imam specially in Jummah prayers > >>when we are deeply engross in listening to the practices of Prophet > >>Mohammad (PUBH) His morality, His justices and love for children, and > >>compassion for woman, after the sermon we come out of the mosque and get > >>involve in our own culture. What a pity on us as ummah, shame on us. We are > >>now left with our past glory, present confusions and grim future > >> > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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