Hehehe ... muter2 lidah lagi, nunjukin kebusukan lu. Yg lu bilang itu kan orang Indonesia tambah makmur krn harga makanan di kota besarnya hampir sama dgn di Australia. Lu ini emang tolol, kalo Filipina itu melarat, itu cuma 1 kasus dr sekian banyak kasus lainnya. Apa mata lu buta sampe lu ga ngeliat Australia itu kaya krn ngikutin etika Kristen? Filipina melarat krn ga ngikutin etika Kristen dgn benar, penuh dgn korupsi dan doyan hura2. Tp orang Filipina itu ga biadab kayak orang bersyariat iblis. Lu cari deh, negara Islam atau yg bermayoritas Islam yg orang Islamnya ga biadab, ga malas, ga bejad, ga tolol. Yg namanya Malaysia aja bisa maju karena minoritasnya, bukan krn mayoritasnya.
From: Teddy S. <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:42 AM >Subject: [proletar] Re: The sins of the fathers > > > >Yang gua bilang saat itu orang Indonesia yang bertambah makmur jumlahnya itu >meningkat. Adalah fakta jumlah yang semakin makmur dengan berjalannya waktu >semakin banyak. Temen-temen seangkatan gua banyak yang jadi pucuk pimpinan >BUMN dan mengirim anak-anak mereka kuliah ke LN. Zaman mereka masih fuliah >dulu, mayoritas masih anak petani. > >Muter lagi dah lu. >Jadinya kesimpulan yang lu ocehin dibangun dengan etika Kristen hingga jadi >lebih maju dengan sendirinya gugur sudah dengan kasus Filipina bukan? > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Flipina minimal merhatikan tkwnya, ga kayak Indonesia. Padahal lu kaing2 bhw >> Indonesia udah makmur krn harga makanan di kota besarnya hampir sama dgn di >> Australia. >>  >> >> From: Teddy S. <teddyr@...> >> >To: [email protected] >> >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:15 PM >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: The sins of the fathers >> > >> > >> > >> >Kalau Filipina itu apanya yang salah? >> > >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Goblok, Eropa yg sekarang itu dibangun lewat etika Kristen, maka bisa >> >> maju. Biarpun orang Eropa ga meluk agama Kristen jg mereka tetap ngikutin >> >> etika Kristen misalnya prinsip golden rule. >> >>  >> >> Di lain pihak, Islam itu ngatur segala aspek kehidupan orang Islam sampe >> >> ke acara berak dan kecing, ngentot, pake sepatu atau nyabutin bulu ketek >> >> jg diatur oleh ajaran Islam. Jadi, kemajuan negara bersyariat iblis itu >> >> sangat ditentukan oleh ajran iblis tsb. Dan hasilnya, hehehe.... negara2 >> >> bersyariat iblis itu jadi negara haram jadha, penuh dgn kebiadaban dan >> >> kebejadan, rakyatnya miskin, tertindas dan tolol, kecuali yg kebetulan >> >> beruntung punya minyak dgn jumlah penduduk kecil. Tp begitu minyaknya >> >> habis, hehehe.... >> >>  >> >>  >> >> >> >> From: johny_indon <johny_indon@> >> >> >To: [email protected] >> >> >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:25 AM >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: The sins of the fathers >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >kasian bener si bleki ini, wawasannya ngga lebih luas dari kolornya. >> >> >dia masih percaya dengan pemikiran primitif bahwa kemajuan sebuah negara >> >> >ada hubungannya dengan agama. >> >> >dia ngga tau kalo gereja2 di eropa itu sekarang kosong melompong >> >> >karena bule2 itu udah males nyembah2 patung di dalemnya. >> >> >dari 53% orang eropa yg masih percaya adanya tuhan, tentu saja ngga >> >> >semuanya kresten. >> >> >jadi seiring dengan kemajuan jaman, jumlah kresten di eropa justru makin >> >> >menyusut. >> >> > >> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism >> >> > >> >> >According to a 2005 Eurostat Eurobarometer poll, 52% of European Union >> >> >citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", whereas 27% >> >> >answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" >> >> >and 18% that "they do not believe there is a spirit, God, nor life >> >> >force". >> >> > >> >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Sejak Kristen berkembang dari reformasi gereja di Eropa, Eropa jadi >> >> >> maju, baik dr segi pengetahuan maupun segi peradaban. >> >> >>  >> >> >> Sebaliknya, sejak Islam berkembang di Timur Tengah, Afrika Utara dan >> >> >> Asia Selatan, pengetahuan mundur, orang2nya jadi biadab. Di >> >> >> beberapa abad pertama, memang msh ada perkembangan pengetahuan, krn >> >> >> merupakan sisa dr apa yg ada sebelumnya. Tp setelah itu, ga ada apa2 >> >> >> lagi sampe di abad ke 20 sebelum era minyak, di negara2 teluk Arab, >> >> >> kehidupan ga beda jauh dgn jaman barbar era Muhammad. Di Mekkah pusat >> >> >> islam itu misalnya, orang msh jualan budak. >> >> >>  >> >> >> Bahkan sekarang ini jg, di mana kebudayaan barat sdh banyak dikenal >> >> >> orang Arab, orang2 arab itu masih jg biadab dgn nindas cewek dan >> >> >> kafir, nganiaya tkw dll. >> >> >>  >> >> >> Apa keberhasilan Islam dlm peradaban? Ga lebih cuma ngebawa orang kr >> >> >> dunia biadab dan bejad. >> >> >>  >> >> >>  >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@> >> >> >> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> >> >> >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:56 AM >> >> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] The sins of the fathers >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Blek omonganlu kagak jauh bedanya dengan omongan kolonialis >> >> >> > >> >> >> >tempo doeloe buktinya kita makan taik 350 taon >> >> >> > >> >> >> >________________________________ >> >> >> >From: item abu <itemabu@> >> >> >> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> >> >> >Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:41 PM >> >> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] The sins of the fathers >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Hehehe... Islam itu katanya ngatur segala aspek kehidupan, hukumnya >> >> >> >keras dsb dsb. Nyatanya, setelah sekian abad Islam ada di satu >> >> >> >daerah, orang2nya (jadi) biadab dan bejad. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Lalu, apanya yg rahmatan lil alamin? Mana buktinya? >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Di Eropa, setelah reformasi gereja yg dilakukan oleh Martin Luther >> >> >> >dan yg lainnya, rakyat jadi mengenal agama Kristen, ga lagi "agama" >> >> >> >dimonopoli oleh gereja Katolik. Maka peradaban jadi membaik secara >> >> >> >umum, kebiadabn menurun, sains maju dsb. Sampe ke era dimana >> >> >> >liberalisme, feminisme, multiculturalisme dan segala macam BS nongol, >> >> >> >membuat perabadan mundur lagi spt apa yg tjd sekarang. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Jadi agama Kristen sdh membuktikan pengaruh positifnya ke masyarakat. >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Lalu, apa pengaruh positif Islam ke masyarakat? Yg ada adalah makin >> >> >> >kuat Islamnya, makin biadab penindasan thd masyarakat dan makin >> >> >> >goblok masyarakatnya. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >From: Sunny <ambon@> >> >> >> >>To: Undisclosed-Recipient@ >> >> >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:08 AM >> >> >> >>Subject: [proletar] The sins of the fathers >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>http://www.dawn.com/2012/02/18/the-sins-of-the-fathers.html >> >> >> >>The sins of the fathers >> >> >> >>by Fahad Faruqui on February 18th, 2012 | Comments (24) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Shakila was only eight-years-old when she and her cousin were >> >> >> >>abducted from their home. One night, men armed with AK-47s barged >> >> >> >>into her house and dragged her out as recompense for dishonoring an >> >> >> >>influential man in the district. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>You may wonder how a girl of such tender age could have dishonored a >> >> >> >>grown up? Well, she had nothing to do with the offense; the wealthy >> >> >> >>man’s wife, however, had eloped with >> >> >> >>Shakila’s uncle. And the wealthy man wanted >> >> >> >>compensation the traditional way. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>The young girls were confined in a dark room for three months. After >> >> >> >>about six months, they were allowed to wash their clothes for the >> >> >> >>first time. For sustenance, they were provided bread and water every >> >> >> >>alternate day. And they were repeatedly beaten. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>â€Å"They tortured us in a way that no human being would >> >> >> >>treat another,� Shakila said to the New York Times. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Shakila’s case is not a unique one when we talk of >> >> >> >>Afghanistan; young girls are given away to make up for the >> >> >> >>wrongdoings of others, including murder, adultery and anything >> >> >> >>that’s not condoned by society. This custom dates >> >> >> >>back to jahiliyyah (the age of ignorance). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>â€Å"For the nomads, there were no police, there was no >> >> >> >>court of law, no judge to organise the affairs of humans, so they >> >> >> >>resorted to the only things they had, which were violence and >> >> >> >>killing,� said Nasrine Gross, a sociologist, to the >> >> >> >>New York Times. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>â€Å"Then, when a problem doesn’t get >> >> >> >>resolved, you offer the only things you have: livestock is more >> >> >> >>precious than a girl because the livestock you can sell, so you give >> >> >> >>two rifles, one camel, five sheep and then the girls they can sell >> >> >> >>this way,� she added. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>The prevailing norm in the pre-Islamic era was subsequently >> >> >> >>criminalised when Islamic laws were codified. And the reasoning for >> >> >> >>outlawing this barbaric method of attaining justice (so to speak) is >> >> >> >>obvious: a girl is not property that can be given away for slavery >> >> >> >>to settle the score for someone else’s misdeeds. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>This cultural form of justice â€" in which a girl is traded >> >> >> >>to settle the dispute â€" is called >> >> >> >>â€Å"baad.� The practice was deemed illegal >> >> >> >>as per the Elimination of Violence against Women Act of 2009, but it >> >> >> >>continues to prevail in Afghanistan. The reason given for the >> >> >> >>practice is the corruption in the legal system, due to which people >> >> >> >>resort to â€Å"jirgas,� where the local >> >> >> >>elders decide about what needs to be done. And, yes, giving away >> >> >> >>women to settle the dispute is in the cards. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>One can’t say how common it is for girls to be >> >> >> >>traded to nullify the wrongdoings of someone else in the family. >> >> >> >>Even if a girl is married to a member of the aggrieved family, it >> >> >> >>doesn’t mean that she won’t be >> >> >> >>maltreated. Taking a girl in marriage has the advantage of ensuring >> >> >> >>that the feud will not continue because, by hook or by crook, the >> >> >> >>two families become relatives. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Shakila’s cousin escaped. And the beatings >> >> >> >>intensified for Shakila. One day she managed to escape and reach her >> >> >> >>sister’s house. The family was unable to recognise >> >> >> >>the malnourished Shakila. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>What’s most troubling is that the family is not >> >> >> >>against the practice â€" this should give you a sense of >> >> >> >>how deep-rooted this tradition is in Afghanistan (and of course >> >> >> >>Pakistan). What troubled them was the fact that at birth she was >> >> >> >>promised in marriage to her cousin in Pakistan, hence she was not >> >> >> >>their â€Å"property� to give away. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>â€Å"We did not mind giving girls,� Gul >> >> >> >>Zareen told the New York Times. â€Å"But she was not mine >> >> >> >>to give.� >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>The ordeal didn’t end there for Shakila. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>The wealthy man ordered his men to search for her. The terrified >> >> >> >>family left their home in Naray, leaving behind their meager worldly >> >> >> >>possessions, including a cow and two goats. They’ve >> >> >> >>now moved across Kunar province to the provincial capital of >> >> >> >>Asadabad. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Shakila’s father has no hope of returning home. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Fahad Faruqui is a journalist, writer and educator. Alumni Columbia >> >> >> >>University. You can email him at fahad@ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader >> >> >> >>comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the >> >> >> >>Dawn Media Group. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Print This Post Email This Post >> >> >> >>24 Responses to " The sins of the fathers " >> >> >> >>1.. SALMAN EBRAHIM says: >> >> >> >>Yesterday at 6:30 pm >> >> >> >>I as a Muslim have following to confess: >> >> >> >>Many of our Muslim brethren are utterly confused about which code of >> >> >> >>conduct they should follow. The religion which they profess deeply >> >> >> >>or the traditions. Islam has nothing to do with whatever happened >> >> >> >>with the poor girl. If this goes on and on then it will be a mockery >> >> >> >>of the religion we are following. Islam is to practice and not to be >> >> >> >>heard again and again on the culprit of mosque listening to the Imam >> >> >> >>specially in Jummah prayers when we are deeply engross in listening >> >> >> >>to the practices of Prophet Mohammad (PUBH) His morality, His >> >> >> >>justices and love for children, and compassion for woman, after the >> >> >> >>sermon we come out of the mosque and get involve in our own culture. >> >> >> >>What a pity on us as ummah, shame on us. We are now left with our >> >> >> >>past glory, present confusions and grim future >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > >> >> >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! 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