Kalau Filipina itu apanya yang salah?
--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Goblok, Eropa yg sekarang itu dibangun lewat etika Kristen, maka bisa maju. > Biarpun orang Eropa ga meluk agama Kristen jg mereka tetap ngikutin etika > Kristen misalnya prinsip golden rule. >  > Di lain pihak, Islam itu ngatur segala aspek kehidupan orang Islam sampe ke > acara berak dan kecing, ngentot, pake sepatu atau nyabutin bulu ketek jg > diatur oleh ajaran Islam. Jadi, kemajuan negara bersyariat iblis itu sangat > ditentukan oleh ajran iblis tsb. Dan hasilnya, hehehe.... negara2 bersyariat > iblis itu jadi negara haram jadha, penuh dgn kebiadaban dan kebejadan, > rakyatnya miskin, tertindas dan tolol, kecuali yg kebetulan beruntung punya > minyak dgn jumlah penduduk kecil. Tp begitu minyaknya habis, hehehe.... >  >  > > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@...> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:25 AM > >Subject: [proletar] Re: The sins of the fathers > > > > > > > > > > > >kasian bener si bleki ini, wawasannya ngga lebih luas dari kolornya. > >dia masih percaya dengan pemikiran primitif bahwa kemajuan sebuah negara ada > >hubungannya dengan agama. > >dia ngga tau kalo gereja2 di eropa itu sekarang kosong melompong > >karena bule2 itu udah males nyembah2 patung di dalemnya. > >dari 53% orang eropa yg masih percaya adanya tuhan, tentu saja ngga semuanya > >kresten. > >jadi seiring dengan kemajuan jaman, jumlah kresten di eropa justru makin > >menyusut. > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism > > > >According to a 2005 Eurostat Eurobarometer poll, 52% of European Union > >citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", whereas 27% answered > >that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 18% that > >"they do not believe there is a spirit, God, nor life force". > > > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> > >> Sejak Kristen berkembang dari reformasi gereja di Eropa, Eropa jadi maju, > >> baik dr segi pengetahuan maupun segi peradaban. > >> à> >> Sebaliknya, sejak Islam berkembang di Timur Tengah, Afrika Utara dan Asia > >> Selatan,àpengetahuan mundur, orang2nya jadi biadab. Di beberapa abad > >> pertama, memang msh ada perkembangan pengetahuan, krn merupakan sisa dr > >> apa yg ada sebelumnya. Tp setelah itu, ga ada apa2 lagi sampe di abad ke > >> 20 sebelum era minyak, di negara2 teluk Arab, kehidupan ga beda jauh dgn > >> jaman barbar era Muhammad. Di Mekkah pusat islam itu misalnya, orang msh > >> jualan budak. > >> à> >> Bahkan sekarang ini jg, di mana kebudayaan barat sdh banyak dikenal orang > >> Arab, orang2 arab itu masih jg biadab dgn nindas cewek dan kafir, nganiaya > >> tkw dll. > >> à> >> Apa keberhasilan Islam dlm peradaban? Ga lebih cuma ngebawa orang kr dunia > >> biadab dan bejad. > >> à> >> à> >> > >> From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@> > >> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:56 AM > >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] The sins of the fathers > >> > > >> > > >> >à> >> >Blek omonganlu kagak jauh bedanya dengan omongan kolonialis > >> > > >> >tempo doeloe buktinya kita makan taik 350 taon > >> > > >> >________________________________ > >> >From: item abu <itemabu@> > >> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> >Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:41 PM > >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] The sins of the fathers > >> > > >> > > >> >à> >> >Hehehe... Islam itu katanya ngatur segala aspek kehidupan, hukumnya keras > >> >dsb dsb. Nyatanya, setelah sekian abad Islam ada di satu daerah, > >> >orang2nya (jadi) biadab dan bejad. > >> >à> >> >Lalu, apanya yg rahmatan lil alamin? Mana buktinya? > >> >à> >> >Di Eropa, setelah reformasi gereja yg dilakukan oleh Martin Luther dan yg > >> >lainnya, rakyat jadi mengenal agama Kristen, ga lagi "agama" dimonopoli > >> >oleh gereja Katolik. Maka peradaban jadi membaik secara umum, kebiadabn > >> >menurun, sains maju dsb. Sampe ke era dimana liberalisme, feminisme, > >> >multiculturalisme dan segala macam BS nongol, membuat perabadan mundur > >> >lagi spt apa yg tjd sekarang. > >> >à> >> >Jadi agama Kristen sdh membuktikan pengaruh positifnya ke masyarakat. > >> >à> >> >Lalu, apa pengaruh positif Islam ke masyarakat? Yg ada adalah makin kuat > >> >Islamnya, makin biadab penindasan thd masyarakat dan makin goblok > >> >masyarakatnya. > >> >à> >> >à> >> > > >> >From: Sunny <ambon@> > >> >>To: Undisclosed-Recipient@ > >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:08 AM > >> >>Subject: [proletar] The sins of the fathers > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>à> >> >>http://www.dawn.com/2012/02/18/the-sins-of-the-fathers.html > >> >>The sins of the fathers > >> >>by Fahad Faruqui on February 18th, 2012 | Comments (24) > >> >> > >> >>Shakila was only eight-years-old when she and her cousin were abducted > >> >>from their home. One night, men armed with AK-47s barged into her house > >> >>and dragged her out as recompense for dishonoring an influential man in > >> >>the district. > >> >> > >> >>You may wonder how a girl of such tender age could have dishonored a > >> >>grown up? Well, she had nothing to do with the offense; the wealthy > >> >>manââ¬â¢s wife, however, had eloped with Shakilaââ¬â¢s uncle. And > >> >>the wealthy man wanted compensation the traditional way. > >> >> > >> >>The young girls were confined in a dark room for three months. After > >> >>about six months, they were allowed to wash their clothes for the first > >> >>time. For sustenance, they were provided bread and water every alternate > >> >>day. And they were repeatedly beaten. > >> >> > >> >>ââ¬Å"They tortured us in a way that no human being would treat > >> >>another,ââ¬ï¿½ Shakila said to the New York Times. > >> >> > >> >>Shakilaââ¬â¢s case is not a unique one when we talk of Afghanistan; > >> >>young girls are given away to make up for the wrongdoings of others, > >> >>including murder, adultery and anything thatââ¬â¢s not condoned by > >> >>society. This custom dates back to jahiliyyah (the age of ignorance). > >> >> > >> >>ââ¬Å"For the nomads, there were no police, there was no court of law, > >> >>no judge to organise the affairs of humans, so they resorted to the only > >> >>things they had, which were violence and killing,ââ¬ï¿½ said Nasrine > >> >>Gross, a sociologist, to the New York Times. > >> >> > >> >>ââ¬Å"Then, when a problem doesnââ¬â¢t get resolved, you offer the > >> >>only things you have: livestock is more precious than a girl because the > >> >>livestock you can sell, so you give two rifles, one camel, five sheep > >> >>and then the girls they can sell this way,ââ¬ï¿½ she added. > >> >> > >> >>The prevailing norm in the pre-Islamic era was subsequently criminalised > >> >>when Islamic laws were codified. And the reasoning for outlawing this > >> >>barbaric method of attaining justice (so to speak) is obvious: a girl is > >> >>not property that can be given away for slavery to settle the score for > >> >>someone elseââ¬â¢s misdeeds. > >> >> > >> >>This cultural form of justice ââ¬" in which a girl is traded to settle > >> >>the dispute ââ¬" is called ââ¬Å"baad.ââ¬ï¿½ The practice was > >> >>deemed illegal as per the Elimination of Violence against Women Act of > >> >>2009, but it continues to prevail in Afghanistan. The reason given for > >> >>the practice is the corruption in the legal system, due to which people > >> >>resort to ââ¬Å"jirgas,ââ¬ï¿½ where the local elders decide about > >> >>what needs to be done. And, yes, giving away women to settle the dispute > >> >>is in the cards. > >> >> > >> >>One canââ¬â¢t say how common it is for girls to be traded to nullify > >> >>the wrongdoings of someone else in the family. Even if a girl is married > >> >>to a member of the aggrieved family, it doesnââ¬â¢t mean that she > >> >>wonââ¬â¢t be maltreated. Taking a girl in marriage has the advantage > >> >>of ensuring that the feud will not continue because, by hook or by > >> >>crook, the two families become relatives. > >> >> > >> >>Shakilaââ¬â¢s cousin escaped. And the beatings intensified for > >> >>Shakila. One day she managed to escape and reach her sisterââ¬â¢s > >> >>house. The family was unable to recognise the malnourished Shakila. > >> >> > >> >>Whatââ¬â¢s most troubling is that the family is not against the > >> >>practice ââ¬" this should give you a sense of how deep-rooted this > >> >>tradition is in Afghanistan (and of course Pakistan). What troubled them > >> >>was the fact that at birth she was promised in marriage to her cousin in > >> >>Pakistan, hence she was not their ââ¬Å"propertyââ¬ï¿½ to give away. > >> >> > >> >>ââ¬Å"We did not mind giving girls,ââ¬ï¿½ Gul Zareen told the New > >> >>York Times. ââ¬Å"But she was not mine to give.ââ¬ï¿½ > >> >> > >> >>The ordeal didnââ¬â¢t end there for Shakila. > >> >> > >> >>The wealthy man ordered his men to search for her. The terrified family > >> >>left their home in Naray, leaving behind their meager worldly > >> >>possessions, including a cow and two goats. Theyââ¬â¢ve now moved > >> >>across Kunar province to the provincial capital of Asadabad. > >> >> > >> >>Shakilaââ¬â¢s father has no hope of returning home. > >> >> > >> >>Fahad Faruqui is a journalist, writer and educator. Alumni Columbia > >> >>University. You can email him at fahad@ > >> >> > >> >>The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments > >> >>do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media > >> >>Group. > >> >> > >> >>Print This Post Email This Post > >> >>24 Responses to " The sins of the fathers " > >> >>1.. SALMAN EBRAHIM says: > >> >>Yesterday at 6:30 pm > >> >>I as a Muslim have following to confess: > >> >>Many of our Muslim brethren are utterly confused about which code of > >> >>conduct they should follow. The religion which they profess deeply or > >> >>the traditions. Islam has nothing to do with whatever happened with the > >> >>poor girl. If this goes on and on then it will be a mockery of the > >> >>religion we are following. Islam is to practice and not to be heard > >> >>again and again on the culprit of mosque listening to the Imam specially > >> >>in Jummah prayers when we are deeply engross in listening to the > >> >>practices of Prophet Mohammad (PUBH) His morality, His justices and love > >> >>for children, and compassion for woman, after the sermon we come out of > >> >>the mosque and get involve in our own culture. What a pity on us as > >> >>ummah, shame on us. We are now left with our past glory, present > >> >>confusions and grim future > >> >> > >> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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