Lu idiot. Di sekolah lu sudah diajari kalau ada satu saja yang tidak memenuhi, maka teori gugur.
Otak, otak tu dipakai, jangannya disimpan. --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: > > Hehehe ... muter2 lidah lagi, nunjukin kebusukan lu. Yg lu bilang itu kan > orang Indonesia tambah makmur krn harga makanan di kota besarnya hampir sama > dgn di Australia. >  > Lu ini emang tolol, kalo Filipina itu melarat, itu cuma 1 kasus dr sekian > banyak kasus lainnya. Apa mata lu buta sampe lu ga ngeliat Australia itu kaya > krn ngikutin etika Kristen? >  > Filipina melarat krn ga ngikutin etika Kristen dgn benar, penuh dgn korupsi > dan doyan hura2. Tp orang Filipina itu ga biadab kayak orang bersyariat iblis. >  > Lu cari deh, negara Islam atau yg bermayoritas Islam yg orang Islamnya ga > biadab, ga malas, ga bejad, ga tolol. Yg namanya Malaysia aja bisa maju > karena minoritasnya, bukan krn mayoritasnya. >  >  > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@...> > >To: [email protected] > >Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 6:42 AM > >Subject: [proletar] Re: The sins of the fathers > > > > > > > >Yang gua bilang saat itu orang Indonesia yang bertambah makmur jumlahnya itu > >meningkat. Adalah fakta jumlah yang semakin makmur dengan berjalannya waktu > >semakin banyak. Temen-temen seangkatan gua banyak yang jadi pucuk pimpinan > >BUMN dan mengirim anak-anak mereka kuliah ke LN. Zaman mereka masih fuliah > >dulu, mayoritas masih anak petani. > > > >Muter lagi dah lu. > >Jadinya kesimpulan yang lu ocehin dibangun dengan etika Kristen hingga jadi > >lebih maju dengan sendirinya gugur sudah dengan kasus Filipina bukan? > > > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> > >> Flipina minimal merhatikan tkwnya, ga kayak Indonesia. Padahal lu kaing2 > >> bhw Indonesia udah makmur krn harga makanan di kota besarnya hampir sama > >> dgn di Australia. > >> à> >> > >> From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> > >> >To: [email protected] > >> >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:15 PM > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: The sins of the fathers > >> > > >> > > >> >à> >> >Kalau Filipina itu apanya yang salah? > >> > > >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Goblok, Eropa yg sekarang itu dibangun lewat etika Kristen, maka bisa > >> >> maju. Biarpun orang Eropa ga meluk agama Kristen jg mereka tetap > >> >> ngikutin etika Kristen misalnyaÃâàprinsip golden rule. > >> >> Ãâà> >> >> Di lain pihak, Islam itu ngatur segala aspek kehidupan orang Islam > >> >> sampe ke acara berak dan kecing, ngentot, pake sepatu atau nyabutin > >> >> bulu ketek jg diatur oleh ajaran Islam. Jadi, kemajuan negara > >> >> bersyariat iblis itu sangat ditentukan oleh ajran iblis tsb. Dan > >> >> hasilnya, hehehe.... negara2 bersyariat iblis itu jadi negara haram > >> >> jadha, penuh dgn kebiadaban dan kebejadan, rakyatnya miskin, tertindas > >> >> dan tolol, kecuali yg kebetulan beruntung punya minyak dgn jumlah > >> >> penduduk kecil. Tp begitu minyaknya habis, hehehe.... > >> >> Ãâà> >> >> Ãâà> >> >> > >> >> From: johny_indon <johny_indon@> > >> >> >To: [email protected] > >> >> >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:25 AM > >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: The sins of the fathers > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >Ãâà> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >kasian bener si bleki ini, wawasannya ngga lebih luas dari kolornya. > >> >> >dia masih percaya dengan pemikiran primitif bahwa kemajuan sebuah > >> >> >negara ada hubungannya dengan agama. > >> >> >dia ngga tau kalo gereja2 di eropa itu sekarang kosong melompong > >> >> >karena bule2 itu udah males nyembah2 patung di dalemnya. > >> >> >dari 53% orang eropa yg masih percaya adanya tuhan, tentu saja ngga > >> >> >semuanya kresten. > >> >> >jadi seiring dengan kemajuan jaman, jumlah kresten di eropa justru > >> >> >makin menyusut. > >> >> > > >> >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism > >> >> > > >> >> >According to a 2005 Eurostat Eurobarometer poll, 52% of European Union > >> >> >citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", whereas 27% > >> >> >answered that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life > >> >> >force" and 18% that "they do not believe there is a spirit, God, nor > >> >> >life force". > >> >> > > >> >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Sejak Kristen berkembang dari reformasi gereja di Eropa, Eropa jadi > >> >> >> maju, baik dr segi pengetahuan maupun segi peradaban. > >> >> >> ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> Sebaliknya, sejak Islam berkembang di Timur Tengah, Afrika Utara dan > >> >> >> Asia Selatan,ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàpengetahuan mundur, orang2nya jadi > >> >> >> biadab. Di beberapa abad pertama, memang msh ada perkembangan > >> >> >> pengetahuan, krn merupakan sisa dr apa yg ada sebelumnya. Tp setelah > >> >> >> itu, ga ada apa2 lagi sampe di abad ke 20 sebelum era minyak, di > >> >> >> negara2 teluk Arab, kehidupan ga beda jauh dgn jaman barbar era > >> >> >> Muhammad. Di Mekkah pusat islam itu misalnya, orang msh jualan budak. > >> >> >> ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> Bahkan sekarang ini jg, di mana kebudayaan barat sdh banyak dikenal > >> >> >> orang Arab, orang2 arab itu masih jg biadab dgn nindas cewek dan > >> >> >> kafir, nganiaya tkw dll. > >> >> >> ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> Apa keberhasilan Islam dlm peradaban? Ga lebih cuma ngebawa orang kr > >> >> >> dunia biadab dan bejad. > >> >> >> ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> > >> >> >> From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@> > >> >> >> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:56 AM > >> >> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] The sins of the fathers > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> >Blek omonganlu kagak jauh bedanya dengan omongan kolonialis > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >tempo doeloe buktinya kita makan taik 350 taon > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >________________________________ > >> >> >> >From: item abu <itemabu@> > >> >> >> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > >> >> >> >Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:41 PM > >> >> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] The sins of the fathers > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> >Hehehe... Islam itu katanya ngatur segala aspek kehidupan, hukumnya > >> >> >> >keras dsb dsb. Nyatanya, setelah sekian abad Islam ada di satu > >> >> >> >daerah, orang2nya (jadi) biadab dan bejad. > >> >> >> >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> >Lalu, apanya yg rahmatan lil alamin? Mana buktinya? > >> >> >> >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> >Di Eropa, setelah reformasi gereja yg dilakukan oleh Martin Luther > >> >> >> >dan yg lainnya, rakyat jadi mengenal agama Kristen, ga lagi "agama" > >> >> >> >dimonopoli oleh gereja Katolik. Maka peradaban jadi membaik secara > >> >> >> >umum, kebiadabn menurun, sains maju dsb. Sampe ke era dimana > >> >> >> >liberalisme, feminisme, multiculturalisme dan segala macam BS > >> >> >> >nongol, membuat perabadan mundur lagi spt apa yg tjd sekarang. > >> >> >> >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> >Jadi agama Kristen sdh membuktikan pengaruh positifnya ke > >> >> >> >masyarakat. > >> >> >> >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> >Lalu, apa pengaruh positif Islam ke masyarakat? Yg ada adalah makin > >> >> >> >kuat Islamnya, makin biadab penindasan thd masyarakat dan makin > >> >> >> >goblok masyarakatnya. > >> >> >> >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> >ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >From: Sunny <ambon@> > >> >> >> >>To: Undisclosed-Recipient@ > >> >> >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:08 AM > >> >> >> >>Subject: [proletar] The sins of the fathers > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>ÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâà> >> >> >> >>http://www.dawn.com/2012/02/18/the-sins-of-the-fathers.html > >> >> >> >>The sins of the fathers > >> >> >> >>by Fahad Faruqui on February 18th, 2012 | Comments (24) > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>Shakila was only eight-years-old when she and her cousin were > >> >> >> >>abducted from their home. One night, men armed with AK-47s barged > >> >> >> >>into her house and dragged her out as recompense for dishonoring > >> >> >> >>an influential man in the district. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>You may wonder how a girl of such tender age could have dishonored > >> >> >> >>a grown up? Well, she had nothing to do with the offense; the > >> >> >> >>wealthy manÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s wife, however, > >> >> >> >>had eloped with ShakilaÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s > >> >> >> >>uncle. And the wealthy man wanted compensation the traditional way. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>The young girls were confined in a dark room for three months. > >> >> >> >>After about six months, they were allowed to wash their clothes > >> >> >> >>for the first time. For sustenance, they were provided bread and > >> >> >> >>water every alternate day. And they were repeatedly beaten. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"They tortured us in a way that no > >> >> >> >>human being would treat > >> >> >> >>another,ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½ Shakila said to the > >> >> >> >>New York Times. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>ShakilaÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s case is not a > >> >> >> >>unique one when we talk of Afghanistan; young girls are given away > >> >> >> >>to make up for the wrongdoings of others, including murder, > >> >> >> >>adultery and anything thatÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s > >> >> >> >>not condoned by society. This custom dates back to jahiliyyah (the > >> >> >> >>age of ignorance). > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"For the nomads, there were no police, > >> >> >> >>there was no court of law, no judge to organise the affairs of > >> >> >> >>humans, so they resorted to the only things they had, which were > >> >> >> >>violence and killing,ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½ said > >> >> >> >>Nasrine Gross, a sociologist, to the New York Times. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"Then, when a problem > >> >> >> >>doesnÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t get resolved, you > >> >> >> >>offer the only things you have: livestock is more precious than a > >> >> >> >>girl because the livestock you can sell, so you give two rifles, > >> >> >> >>one camel, five sheep and then the girls they can sell this > >> >> >> >>way,ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½ she added. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>The prevailing norm in the pre-Islamic era was subsequently > >> >> >> >>criminalised when Islamic laws were codified. And the reasoning > >> >> >> >>for outlawing this barbaric method of attaining justice (so to > >> >> >> >>speak) is obvious: a girl is not property that can be given away > >> >> >> >>for slavery to settle the score for someone > >> >> >> >>elseÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s misdeeds. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>This cultural form of justice ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" in which a > >> >> >> >>girl is traded to settle the dispute ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" is > >> >> >> >>called > >> >> >> >>ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"baad.ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½ > >> >> >> >> The practice was deemed illegal as per the Elimination of > >> >> >> >>Violence against Women Act of 2009, but it continues to prevail in > >> >> >> >>Afghanistan. The reason given for the practice is the corruption > >> >> >> >>in the legal system, due to which people resort to > >> >> >> >>ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"jirgas,ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½ > >> >> >> >> where the local elders decide about what needs to be done. And, > >> >> >> >>yes, giving away women to settle the dispute is in the cards. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>One canÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t say how common it > >> >> >> >>is for girls to be traded to nullify the wrongdoings of someone > >> >> >> >>else in the family. Even if a girl is married to a member of the > >> >> >> >>aggrieved family, it doesnÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t > >> >> >> >>mean that she wonÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t be > >> >> >> >>maltreated. Taking a girl in marriage has the advantage of > >> >> >> >>ensuring that the feud will not continue because, by hook or by > >> >> >> >>crook, the two families become relatives. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>ShakilaÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s cousin escaped. And > >> >> >> >>the beatings intensified for Shakila. One day she managed to > >> >> >> >>escape and reach her sisterÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s > >> >> >> >>house. The family was unable to recognise the malnourished Shakila. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>WhatÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s most troubling is that > >> >> >> >>the family is not against the practice ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬" > >> >> >> >>this should give you a sense of how deep-rooted this tradition is > >> >> >> >>in Afghanistan (and of course Pakistan). What troubled them was > >> >> >> >>the fact that at birth she was promised in marriage to her cousin > >> >> >> >>in Pakistan, hence she was not their > >> >> >> >>ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"propertyÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½ > >> >> >> >> to give away. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"We did not mind giving > >> >> >> >>girls,ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½ Gul Zareen told the New > >> >> >> >>York Times. ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦"But she was not mine to > >> >> >> >>give.ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¯Ã¿Ã½ > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>The ordeal didnÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢t end there > >> >> >> >>for Shakila. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>The wealthy man ordered his men to search for her. The terrified > >> >> >> >>family left their home in Naray, leaving behind their meager > >> >> >> >>worldly possessions, including a cow and two goats. > >> >> >> >>TheyÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ve now moved across > >> >> >> >>Kunar province to the provincial capital of Asadabad. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>ShakilaÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s father has no hope > >> >> >> >>of returning home. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>Fahad Faruqui is a journalist, writer and educator. Alumni > >> >> >> >>Columbia University. You can email him at fahad@ > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader > >> >> >> >>comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the > >> >> >> >>Dawn Media Group. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >>Print This Post Email This Post > >> >> >> >>24 Responses to " The sins of the fathers " > >> >> >> >>1.. SALMAN EBRAHIM says: > >> >> >> >>Yesterday at 6:30 pm > >> >> >> >>I as a Muslim have following to confess: > >> >> >> >>Many of our Muslim brethren are utterly confused about which code > >> >> >> >>of conduct they should follow. The religion which they profess > >> >> >> >>deeply or the traditions. Islam has nothing to do with whatever > >> >> >> >>happened with the poor girl. If this goes on and on then it will > >> >> >> >>be a mockery of the religion we are following. Islam is to > >> >> >> >>practice and not to be heard again and again on the culprit of > >> >> >> >>mosque listening to the Imam specially in Jummah prayers when we > >> >> >> >>are deeply engross in listening to the practices of Prophet > >> >> >> >>Mohammad (PUBH) His morality, His justices and love for children, > >> >> >> >>and compassion for woman, after the sermon we come out of the > >> >> >> >>mosque and get involve in our own culture. What a pity on us as > >> >> >> >>ummah, shame on us. 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