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From: Teddy S. <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:15 PM >Subject: [proletar] Re: The sins of the fathers > > > >Kalau Filipina itu apanya yang salah? > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Goblok, Eropa yg sekarang itu dibangun lewat etika Kristen, maka bisa maju. >> Biarpun orang Eropa ga meluk agama Kristen jg mereka tetap ngikutin etika >> Kristen misalnya prinsip golden rule. >>  >> Di lain pihak, Islam itu ngatur segala aspek kehidupan orang Islam sampe ke >> acara berak dan kecing, ngentot, pake sepatu atau nyabutin bulu ketek jg >> diatur oleh ajaran Islam. Jadi, kemajuan negara bersyariat iblis itu sangat >> ditentukan oleh ajran iblis tsb. Dan hasilnya, hehehe.... negara2 bersyariat >> iblis itu jadi negara haram jadha, penuh dgn kebiadaban dan kebejadan, >> rakyatnya miskin, tertindas dan tolol, kecuali yg kebetulan beruntung punya >> minyak dgn jumlah penduduk kecil. Tp begitu minyaknya habis, hehehe.... >>  >>  >> >> From: johny_indon <johny_indon@...> >> >To: [email protected] >> >Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 10:25 AM >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: The sins of the fathers >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >kasian bener si bleki ini, wawasannya ngga lebih luas dari kolornya. >> >dia masih percaya dengan pemikiran primitif bahwa kemajuan sebuah negara >> >ada hubungannya dengan agama. >> >dia ngga tau kalo gereja2 di eropa itu sekarang kosong melompong >> >karena bule2 itu udah males nyembah2 patung di dalemnya. >> >dari 53% orang eropa yg masih percaya adanya tuhan, tentu saja ngga >> >semuanya kresten. >> >jadi seiring dengan kemajuan jaman, jumlah kresten di eropa justru makin >> >menyusut. >> > >> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism >> > >> >According to a 2005 Eurostat Eurobarometer poll, 52% of European Union >> >citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", whereas 27% answered >> >that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 18% that >> >"they do not believe there is a spirit, God, nor life force". >> > >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Sejak Kristen berkembang dari reformasi gereja di Eropa, Eropa jadi maju, >> >> baik dr segi pengetahuan maupun segi peradaban. >> >>  >> >> Sebaliknya, sejak Islam berkembang di Timur Tengah, Afrika Utara dan Asia >> >> Selatan, pengetahuan mundur, orang2nya jadi biadab. Di beberapa abad >> >> pertama, memang msh ada perkembangan pengetahuan, krn merupakan sisa dr >> >> apa yg ada sebelumnya. Tp setelah itu, ga ada apa2 lagi sampe di abad ke >> >> 20 sebelum era minyak, di negara2 teluk Arab, kehidupan ga beda jauh dgn >> >> jaman barbar era Muhammad. Di Mekkah pusat islam itu misalnya, orang msh >> >> jualan budak. >> >>  >> >> Bahkan sekarang ini jg, di mana kebudayaan barat sdh banyak dikenal orang >> >> Arab, orang2 arab itu masih jg biadab dgn nindas cewek dan kafir, >> >> nganiaya tkw dll. >> >>  >> >> Apa keberhasilan Islam dlm peradaban? Ga lebih cuma ngebawa orang kr >> >> dunia biadab dan bejad. >> >>  >> >>  >> >> >> >> From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@> >> >> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> >> >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:56 AM >> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] The sins of the fathers >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Blek omonganlu kagak jauh bedanya dengan omongan kolonialis >> >> > >> >> >tempo doeloe buktinya kita makan taik 350 taon >> >> > >> >> >________________________________ >> >> >From: item abu <itemabu@> >> >> >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> >> >Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:41 PM >> >> >Subject: Re: [proletar] The sins of the fathers >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >Hehehe... Islam itu katanya ngatur segala aspek kehidupan, hukumnya >> >> >keras dsb dsb. Nyatanya, setelah sekian abad Islam ada di satu daerah, >> >> >orang2nya (jadi) biadab dan bejad. >> >> > >> >> >Lalu, apanya yg rahmatan lil alamin? Mana buktinya? >> >> > >> >> >Di Eropa, setelah reformasi gereja yg dilakukan oleh Martin Luther dan >> >> >yg lainnya, rakyat jadi mengenal agama Kristen, ga lagi "agama" >> >> >dimonopoli oleh gereja Katolik. Maka peradaban jadi membaik secara umum, >> >> >kebiadabn menurun, sains maju dsb. Sampe ke era dimana liberalisme, >> >> >feminisme, multiculturalisme dan segala macam BS nongol, membuat >> >> >perabadan mundur lagi spt apa yg tjd sekarang. >> >> > >> >> >Jadi agama Kristen sdh membuktikan pengaruh positifnya ke masyarakat. >> >> > >> >> >Lalu, apa pengaruh positif Islam ke masyarakat? Yg ada adalah makin kuat >> >> >Islamnya, makin biadab penindasan thd masyarakat dan makin goblok >> >> >masyarakatnya. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >From: Sunny <ambon@> >> >> >>To: Undisclosed-Recipient@ >> >> >>Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:08 AM >> >> >>Subject: [proletar] The sins of the fathers >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>http://www.dawn.com/2012/02/18/the-sins-of-the-fathers.html >> >> >>The sins of the fathers >> >> >>by Fahad Faruqui on February 18th, 2012 | Comments (24) >> >> >> >> >> >>Shakila was only eight-years-old when she and her cousin were abducted >> >> >>from their home. One night, men armed with AK-47s barged into her house >> >> >>and dragged her out as recompense for dishonoring an influential man in >> >> >>the district. >> >> >> >> >> >>You may wonder how a girl of such tender age could have dishonored a >> >> >>grown up? Well, she had nothing to do with the offense; the wealthy >> >> >>man’s wife, however, had eloped with Shakila’s uncle. And >> >> >>the wealthy man wanted compensation the traditional way. >> >> >> >> >> >>The young girls were confined in a dark room for three months. After >> >> >>about six months, they were allowed to wash their clothes for the first >> >> >>time. For sustenance, they were provided bread and water every >> >> >>alternate day. And they were repeatedly beaten. >> >> >> >> >> >>â€Å"They tortured us in a way that no human being would treat >> >> >>another,� Shakila said to the New York Times. >> >> >> >> >> >>Shakila’s case is not a unique one when we talk of Afghanistan; >> >> >>young girls are given away to make up for the wrongdoings of others, >> >> >>including murder, adultery and anything that’s not condoned by >> >> >>society. This custom dates back to jahiliyyah (the age of ignorance). >> >> >> >> >> >>â€Å"For the nomads, there were no police, there was no court of law, >> >> >>no judge to organise the affairs of humans, so they resorted to the >> >> >>only things they had, which were violence and killing,� said >> >> >>Nasrine Gross, a sociologist, to the New York Times. >> >> >> >> >> >>â€Å"Then, when a problem doesn’t get resolved, you offer the >> >> >>only things you have: livestock is more precious than a girl because >> >> >>the livestock you can sell, so you give two rifles, one camel, five >> >> >>sheep and then the girls they can sell this way,� she added. >> >> >> >> >> >>The prevailing norm in the pre-Islamic era was subsequently >> >> >>criminalised when Islamic laws were codified. And the reasoning for >> >> >>outlawing this barbaric method of attaining justice (so to speak) is >> >> >>obvious: a girl is not property that can be given away for slavery to >> >> >>settle the score for someone else’s misdeeds. >> >> >> >> >> >>This cultural form of justice â€" in which a girl is traded to >> >> >>settle the dispute â€" is called â€Å"baad.� The practice >> >> >>was deemed illegal as per the Elimination of Violence against Women Act >> >> >>of 2009, but it continues to prevail in Afghanistan. The reason given >> >> >>for the practice is the corruption in the legal system, due to which >> >> >>people resort to â€Å"jirgas,� where the local elders decide >> >> >>about what needs to be done. And, yes, giving away women to settle the >> >> >>dispute is in the cards. >> >> >> >> >> >>One can’t say how common it is for girls to be traded to nullify >> >> >>the wrongdoings of someone else in the family. Even if a girl is >> >> >>married to a member of the aggrieved family, it doesn’t mean >> >> >>that she won’t be maltreated. Taking a girl in marriage has the >> >> >>advantage of ensuring that the feud will not continue because, by hook >> >> >>or by crook, the two families become relatives. >> >> >> >> >> >>Shakila’s cousin escaped. And the beatings intensified for >> >> >>Shakila. One day she managed to escape and reach her sister’s >> >> >>house. The family was unable to recognise the malnourished Shakila. >> >> >> >> >> >>What’s most troubling is that the family is not against the >> >> >>practice â€" this should give you a sense of how deep-rooted this >> >> >>tradition is in Afghanistan (and of course Pakistan). What troubled >> >> >>them was the fact that at birth she was promised in marriage to her >> >> >>cousin in Pakistan, hence she was not their â€Å"property� to >> >> >>give away. >> >> >> >> >> >>â€Å"We did not mind giving girls,� Gul Zareen told the New >> >> >>York Times. â€Å"But she was not mine to give.� >> >> >> >> >> >>The ordeal didn’t end there for Shakila. >> >> >> >> >> >>The wealthy man ordered his men to search for her. The terrified family >> >> >>left their home in Naray, leaving behind their meager worldly >> >> >>possessions, including a cow and two goats. They’ve now moved >> >> >>across Kunar province to the provincial capital of Asadabad. >> >> >> >> >> >>Shakila’s father has no hope of returning home. >> >> >> >> >> >>Fahad Faruqui is a journalist, writer and educator. Alumni Columbia >> >> >>University. You can email him at fahad@ >> >> >> >> >> >>The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader >> >> >>comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn >> >> >>Media Group. >> >> >> >> >> >>Print This Post Email This Post >> >> >>24 Responses to " The sins of the fathers " >> >> >>1.. SALMAN EBRAHIM says: >> >> >>Yesterday at 6:30 pm >> >> >>I as a Muslim have following to confess: >> >> >>Many of our Muslim brethren are utterly confused about which code of >> >> >>conduct they should follow. The religion which they profess deeply or >> >> >>the traditions. Islam has nothing to do with whatever happened with the >> >> >>poor girl. If this goes on and on then it will be a mockery of the >> >> >>religion we are following. Islam is to practice and not to be heard >> >> >>again and again on the culprit of mosque listening to the Imam >> >> >>specially in Jummah prayers when we are deeply engross in listening to >> >> >>the practices of Prophet Mohammad (PUBH) His morality, His justices and >> >> >>love for children, and compassion for woman, after the sermon we come >> >> >>out of the mosque and get involve in our own culture. What a pity on us >> >> >>as ummah, shame on us. 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