Ada contoh lagi Filipina. Orang Huawei bilang kalau orang-orang Filipina minta-minta duit sama mereka jumlahnya jauh lebih besar daripada orang-orang Indonesia.
--- In [email protected], "johny_indon" <johny_indon@...> wrote: > > > > kasian bener si bleki ini, wawasannya ngga lebih luas dari kolornya. > dia masih percaya dengan pemikiran primitif bahwa kemajuan sebuah negara ada > hubungannya dengan agama. > dia ngga tau kalo gereja2 di eropa itu sekarang kosong melompong > karena bule2 itu udah males nyembah2 patung di dalemnya. > dari 53% orang eropa yg masih percaya adanya tuhan, tentu saja ngga semuanya > kresten. > jadi seiring dengan kemajuan jaman, jumlah kresten di eropa justru makin > menyusut. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism > > According to a 2005 Eurostat Eurobarometer poll, 52% of European Union > citizens responded that "they believe there is a God", whereas 27% answered > that "they believe there is some sort of spirit or life force" and 18% that > "they do not believe there is a spirit, God, nor life force". > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: > > > > Sejak Kristen berkembang dari reformasi gereja di Eropa, Eropa jadi maju, > > baik dr segi pengetahuan maupun segi peradaban. > >  > > Sebaliknya, sejak Islam berkembang di Timur Tengah, Afrika Utara dan Asia > > Selatan, pengetahuan mundur, orang2nya jadi biadab. Di beberapa abad > > pertama, memang msh ada perkembangan pengetahuan, krn merupakan sisa dr apa > > yg ada sebelumnya. Tp setelah itu, ga ada apa2 lagi sampe di abad ke 20 > > sebelum era minyak, di negara2 teluk Arab, kehidupan ga beda jauh dgn jaman > > barbar era Muhammad. Di Mekkah pusat islam itu misalnya, orang msh jualan > > budak. > >  > > Bahkan sekarang ini jg, di mana kebudayaan barat sdh banyak dikenal orang > > Arab, orang2 arab itu masih jg biadab dgn nindas cewek dan kafir, nganiaya > > tkw dll. > >  > > Apa keberhasilan Islam dlm peradaban? Ga lebih cuma ngebawa orang kr dunia > > biadab dan bejad. > >  > >  > > > > From: Musik hari Ini <musikhariini@> > > >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:56 AM > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] The sins of the fathers > > > > > > > > > > > >Blek omonganlu kagak jauh bedanya dengan omongan kolonialis > > > > > >tempo doeloe buktinya kita makan taik 350 taon > > > > > >________________________________ > > >From: item abu <itemabu@> > > >To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:41 PM > > >Subject: Re: [proletar] The sins of the fathers > > > > > > > > > > > >Hehehe... Islam itu katanya ngatur segala aspek kehidupan, hukumnya keras > > >dsb dsb. Nyatanya, setelah sekian abad Islam ada di satu daerah, orang2nya > > >(jadi) biadab dan bejad. > > > > > >Lalu, apanya yg rahmatan lil alamin? Mana buktinya? > > > > > >Di Eropa, setelah reformasi gereja yg dilakukan oleh Martin Luther dan yg > > >lainnya, rakyat jadi mengenal agama Kristen, ga lagi "agama" dimonopoli > > >oleh gereja Katolik. Maka peradaban jadi membaik secara umum, kebiadabn > > >menurun, sains maju dsb. Sampe ke era dimana liberalisme, feminisme, > > >multiculturalisme dan segala macam BS nongol, membuat perabadan mundur > > >lagi spt apa yg tjd sekarang. > > > > > >Jadi agama Kristen sdh membuktikan pengaruh positifnya ke masyarakat. > > > > > >Lalu, apa pengaruh positif Islam ke masyarakat? Yg ada adalah makin kuat > > >Islamnya, makin biadab penindasan thd masyarakat dan makin goblok > > >masyarakatnya. > > > > > > > > > > > >From: Sunny <ambon@> > > >>To: Undisclosed-Recipient@ > > >>Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:08 AM > > >>Subject: [proletar] The sins of the fathers > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>http://www.dawn.com/2012/02/18/the-sins-of-the-fathers.html > > >>The sins of the fathers > > >>by Fahad Faruqui on February 18th, 2012 | Comments (24) > > >> > > >>Shakila was only eight-years-old when she and her cousin were abducted > > >>from their home. One night, men armed with AK-47s barged into her house > > >>and dragged her out as recompense for dishonoring an influential man in > > >>the district. > > >> > > >>You may wonder how a girl of such tender age could have dishonored a > > >>grown up? Well, she had nothing to do with the offense; the wealthy > > >>manâs wife, however, had eloped with Shakilaâs uncle. And the wealthy > > >>man wanted compensation the traditional way. > > >> > > >>The young girls were confined in a dark room for three months. After > > >>about six months, they were allowed to wash their clothes for the first > > >>time. For sustenance, they were provided bread and water every alternate > > >>day. And they were repeatedly beaten. > > >> > > >>âThey tortured us in a way that no human being would treat another,â > > >>Shakila said to the New York Times. > > >> > > >>Shakilaâs case is not a unique one when we talk of Afghanistan; young > > >>girls are given away to make up for the wrongdoings of others, including > > >>murder, adultery and anything thatâs not condoned by society. This > > >>custom dates back to jahiliyyah (the age of ignorance). > > >> > > >>âFor the nomads, there were no police, there was no court of law, no > > >>judge to organise the affairs of humans, so they resorted to the only > > >>things they had, which were violence and killing,â said Nasrine Gross, > > >>a sociologist, to the New York Times. > > >> > > >>âThen, when a problem doesnât get resolved, you offer the only things > > >>you have: livestock is more precious than a girl because the livestock > > >>you can sell, so you give two rifles, one camel, five sheep and then the > > >>girls they can sell this way,â she added. > > >> > > >>The prevailing norm in the pre-Islamic era was subsequently criminalised > > >>when Islamic laws were codified. And the reasoning for outlawing this > > >>barbaric method of attaining justice (so to speak) is obvious: a girl is > > >>not property that can be given away for slavery to settle the score for > > >>someone elseâs misdeeds. > > >> > > >>This cultural form of justice â" in which a girl is traded to settle the > > >>dispute â" is called âbaad.â The practice was deemed illegal as per > > >>the Elimination of Violence against Women Act of 2009, but it continues > > >>to prevail in Afghanistan. The reason given for the practice is the > > >>corruption in the legal system, due to which people resort to > > >>âjirgas,â where the local elders decide about what needs to be done. > > >>And, yes, giving away women to settle the dispute is in the cards. > > >> > > >>One canât say how common it is for girls to be traded to nullify the > > >>wrongdoings of someone else in the family. Even if a girl is married to a > > >>member of the aggrieved family, it doesnât mean that she wonât be > > >>maltreated. Taking a girl in marriage has the advantage of ensuring that > > >>the feud will not continue because, by hook or by crook, the two families > > >>become relatives. > > >> > > >>Shakilaâs cousin escaped. And the beatings intensified for Shakila. One > > >>day she managed to escape and reach her sisterâs house. The family was > > >>unable to recognise the malnourished Shakila. > > >> > > >>Whatâs most troubling is that the family is not against the practice > > >>â" this should give you a sense of how deep-rooted this tradition is in > > >>Afghanistan (and of course Pakistan). What troubled them was the fact > > >>that at birth she was promised in marriage to her cousin in Pakistan, > > >>hence she was not their âpropertyâ to give away. > > >> > > >>âWe did not mind giving girls,â Gul Zareen told the New York Times. > > >>âBut she was not mine to give.â > > >> > > >>The ordeal didnât end there for Shakila. > > >> > > >>The wealthy man ordered his men to search for her. The terrified family > > >>left their home in Naray, leaving behind their meager worldly > > >>possessions, including a cow and two goats. Theyâve now moved across > > >>Kunar province to the provincial capital of Asadabad. > > >> > > >>Shakilaâs father has no hope of returning home. > > >> > > >>Fahad Faruqui is a journalist, writer and educator. Alumni Columbia > > >>University. You can email him at fahad@ > > >> > > >>The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments > > >>do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group. > > >> > > >>Print This Post Email This Post > > >>24 Responses to " The sins of the fathers " > > >>1.. SALMAN EBRAHIM says: > > >>Yesterday at 6:30 pm > > >>I as a Muslim have following to confess: > > >>Many of our Muslim brethren are utterly confused about which code of > > >>conduct they should follow. The religion which they profess deeply or the > > >>traditions. Islam has nothing to do with whatever happened with the poor > > >>girl. If this goes on and on then it will be a mockery of the religion we > > >>are following. Islam is to practice and not to be heard again and again > > >>on the culprit of mosque listening to the Imam specially in Jummah > > >>prayers when we are deeply engross in listening to the practices of > > >>Prophet Mohammad (PUBH) His morality, His justices and love for children, > > >>and compassion for woman, after the sermon we come out of the mosque and > > >>get involve in our own culture. What a pity on us as ummah, shame on us. > > >>We are now left with our past glory, present confusions and grim future > > >> > > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ------------------------------------ Post message: [email protected] Subscribe : [email protected] Unsubscribe : [email protected] List owner : [email protected] Homepage : http://proletar.8m.com/Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/proletar/join (Yahoo! 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