[proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, katanya, tidak peduli..)

[johny_indon]

ngga punya tv ya?
pantesan sok tau dan goblok.

--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@...> wrote:
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> Dungu, Soeharto itu mundur krn dikhianati oleh penjilat pantatnya yg antara 
> lain bikin rusuh tgl 13-14 Mei 1998.
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> >________________________________
> > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@...>
> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 4:03 PM
> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, 
> >katanya, tidak peduli..)
> > 
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >oh gitu blek.
> >jadi suharto jatoh karena siapa? si juplik? 
> >
> >bentar gua mau ke toilet dulu, ngedadak mules nih nahan ketawa.
> >
> >WKWKWKKWKWKWKKWKWKWKKWK!
> >
> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> wrote:
> >>
> >> Cuma orang tolol yg bilang bhw yg ngejatohin orba itu adalah demo 
> >> mahasiswa.
> >> 
> >> Kalo ngeliat kelakuan mahasiswa, hehehe... mereka itu doyan saling tawuran 
> >> antar sesama mahasiswa. Yg kayak gini ngejatohin orba?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >________________________________
> >> > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@>
> >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> >> >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:34 AM
> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, 
> >> >katanya, tidak peduli..)
> >> > 
> >> >
> >> >  
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >buset dah.
> >> >lu itu ngerasa berjasa banget atas kejatuhan orba ya plik?
> >> >emang yg lu lakukan itu, ngobrolin soal indonesia sambil minum anggur, lu 
> >> >anggap usaha yg luar biasa ya? 
> >> >
> >> >semua orang indo tau yg menjatuhkan orba itu ya demo mahasiswa, bukan 
> >> >gembel ngga jelas yg tinggal enak2 di belanda kayak elu.
> >> >
> >> >lu bayar pajak di indonesia aja kagak, mau sok merasa punya 
> >> >kontribusi buat indonesia.
> >> >jangan2 lu ke luar negri juga pake duit negara ya plik?
> >> >lu itu manusia tak berguna, sebelum maupun setelah kejatuhan orba.
> >> >buat indonesia, elu adalah sampah yg bahkan ngga bisa di daur ulang.
> >> >
> >> >lu emang tua bangke yg ngga tau malu plik.
> >> >
> >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> 
> >> >> Pertama: menolak undangan bedebah, seerti yagn dilakukan item abu itu  
> >> >> artinya tidak berdiam diri dihadapan kejahatan yang dilakukan bedebah 
> >> >> itu.
> >> >> 
> >> >> Kedua: sepanjang yang menyangkut kegiatan saya sejak tahun 1972 hingga 
> >> >> Orde Naru jatuh, saya bisa bilang, disamping mendiang Ernst Utrecht dan 
> >> >> sahabat saya Lim, saya adalah orang Indonesia yang dari negeri Belanda 
> >> >> yang ikut mendukung usaha orang di Indonesia  menjatuhkan Orde Baru. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Saya tidak sekedar bersenang-senang di negeri orang menikmati jaminan 
> >> >> sosial dan jaminan ksehatan yagn aduhai seperti anda yagn adalah 
> >> >> manusia oportunis yang bertabiat busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan.
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ha ha ha.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Tidak datang memenuhi undangan dan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke 
> >> >> > tembok itu sama-sama tak ada artinya.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Coba anda bercermin diri dan melihat apakah ada perubahan besar yang 
> >> >> > telah terjadi di Indonesia yang merupakan hasil "perjuangan" anda 
> >> >> > selama ini?
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Di sini semuanya tidak gratis dan malahan saya masih menyumbang orang 
> >> >> > lain. Sementara ada cukup banyak yang menjadi 'dole bludgers' yang 
> >> >> > sebagiannya enak-enak berselancar tiap harinya. Anda kira orang-orang 
> >> >> > ini pantas menerima santunan?
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> 
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > "item abu" menyatakan pendapatnya dengan tidak datang memenuhi 
> >> >> > > undangan yang disampaikan kepadanya..
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > Ini satu.
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > Yagn kedua: anda itu oportunis busuk, nisgtfa lagi menjijikkan 
> >> >> > > karena anda enak-enak hidup di negeri yang punya jaminan sosial dan 
> >> >> > > jaminan kesehatan yagn aduhai, hasil perjuangan orang yang peduli 
> >> >> > > akan kesenjangan sosial, lalua nda bicara tentang mobil mewah dan 
> >> >> > > anda tidak peduli dengan kejahatan yang dilakukan oleh para bedebah 
> >> >> > > yang menjarah khasanah negara Indonsia - sembari merek menghina 
> >> >> > > korban jarahannnnya yang jadi melarat dengan petatagng petiting 
> >> >> > > dengan  mobil mewah hasil jarahannya.
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > Anda itu betulk-betul adalah bangsat oppotunis busuk, nista lagi 
> >> >> > > menjijikkan.
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Tidak usah jauh-jauh, tuh protege satu-satunya kebanggan anda 
> >> >> > > > tidak berani mengungkapkan pendapatnya sendiri pada tetangga yang 
> >> >> > > > tinggal di depan rumahnya. Itu yang jelas-jelas langkah yang 
> >> >> > > > merupakan feedback langsung dan mungkin, ini sih masih mungkin 
> >> >> > > > bisa memberikan perubahan.
> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> > > > Apa haknya saya mencampuri yang bukan wewenang saya karena mereka 
> >> >> > > > tidak mewakili saya? Anda mau mencampuri, maka itu urusan anda 
> >> >> > > > sendiri.
> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> > > > Saya membayar restribusi untuk semua fasilitas yang saya dan ibu 
> >> >> > > > saya terima di Australia. Kalau dihitung hingga dengan sen-sen 
> >> >> > > > yang dikeluarkan, maka kontribusi saya selama ini masih lebih 
> >> >> > > > banyak daripada nilai fasilitas yang didapat. Jadi ini tidak 
> >> >> > > > gratis dan saya malah menyumbang untuk orang lain selama ini.
> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> > > > Jadi fasilitas ini tidak gratis dan saya membayar penuh.
> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> > > > 
> >> >> > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> 
> >> >> > > > wrote:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > Betul-betul bajingan tengik.
> >> >> > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > Betul-betul bangsat keparat.
> >> >> > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > Betul-betul manusia oportunis bertabiat busuk, nista lagi 
> >> >> > > > > menjijikkan. 
> >> >> > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > Bukan urusannya, katanya, pejabat Indonesia menjarah khasanah 
> >> >> > > > > negara Indonesia dan menjadikan Indonesia dedel duwel lalu 
> >> >> > > > > menghina korban  jarahannnya yang dimelaratkannnya sembari 
> >> >> > > > > petatang petiting pamer  mobil mewah dan pamer kekayaan..
> >> >> > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > Saat dia, Teddy, menikmati jaminan kesehatan yang aduhai di 
> >> >> > > > > Austrlia, hasil perjuangan orang Australia yang seperti item 
> >> >> > > > > abu peduli terhadap kesenjangan sosial.
> >> >> > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > Selanjutnya: tidak peduli dengan adanya kejahatan yang 
> >> >> > > > > dilakukan pejabat bedebah di Indonesia itu hakekatnya berpihak 
> >> >> > > > > kepada pejabat penjahat itu.
> >> >> > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > Ada perbedaan besar antara berfihak dan tidak peduli.
> >> >> > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" 
> >> >> > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > Asyik...
> >> >> > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > Sekarang Teddy berpihak kepada penguasa bedebah di 
> >> >> > > > > > > Indonesia yang  petatang petiting pamer hasil jarahan 
> >> >> > > > > > > mereka...
> >> >> > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > Dan di Indonesia mobil mahal itu adalah sinonim dengan 
> >> >> > > > > > > mobil mewah...
> >> >> > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > Gawat, si belegug ini kagak bisa menyimak.
> >> >> > > > > > > > Lu jelas-jelas terobsesi dengan mobil-mobil mewah di mana 
> >> >> > > > > > > > lu punya definisi sendiri untuk yang namanya mobil-mobil 
> >> >> > > > > > > > mewah. Buat lu asal harganya relatif mahal, maka itu 
> >> >> > > > > > > > pastilah mobil mewah. Padahal mobil-mobil pejabat yang lu 
> >> >> > > > > > > > recokin itu tidak termasuk  kategori mobil-mobil mewah 
> >> >> > > > > > > > dalam definisi standar seperti yang disebutkan dalam 
> >> >> > > > > > > > WIKIPEDIA.
> >> >> > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > Gua dalam hal ini tidak terlibat. Hak sang pejabat untuk 
> >> >> > > > > > > > punya mobil apapun juga.  Gua sih sama  sekali tidak 
> >> >> > > > > > > > peduli karena bukan urusan gua.
> >> >> > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> 
> >> >> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > > Hehehe.. si keparat Teddy ini muter2 lidah dan nambah 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > dosanya dgn bikin fitnah baru.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > Gua cuma minta si Teddy ngebuktikan ocehannya sendiri, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > lalu si Teddy ngoceh seolah2 gua pernah ngelarang dia 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > make duitnya sendiri. Kapan tuh gua pernah ngelarang si 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > Teddy make duitnya sendiri sesuka hatinya? Yg gua 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > bilang adalah si Teddy adalah bajingan rakus dan 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > serakah, bajingan yg ga peduli dgn orang lain, bukan 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > ngelarang si Teddy make duit sesuka hatinya.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > Udah jelas si Teddy ini ga bisa ngebuktikan ocehannya, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > tp dasar bajingan ga tau malu, dia msh ga mau ngaku bhw 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > mulutnya adalah lobang taik, padahal dia sendiri yg 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > bilang kalo orang ga bisa ngebuktikan omongannya, maka 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > ybs itu bermulut lobang taik.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > Emang tuh, dr mulut anjing ga akan tumbuh gading.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >________________________________
> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@>
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:03 AM
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah
> >> >> > > > > > > > > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >  
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >Gua kagak pernah secara explisit menyebut mobil-mobil 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >mewah seperti yang lu lakukan. Peduli amat dengan 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >orang-orang yang memilikinya, karena itu urusan 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >pribadi orang. Hak orang untuk punya dan yang pasti 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >duitnya bukan dari lu.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, item abu <itemabu@> 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Dan lu kaing2 gua terobsesi oleh mobil mewah. Dasar 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> mulut lobang taik lu ini.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >________________________________
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@>
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >To: proletar@yahoogroups.com 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:45 AM
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >ÃÆ'‚  
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya kesulitan 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >menterjemahkan:
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari "merek 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> eksotis" yang juga melebihi US $ 100.000, tetapi 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> belum tentu dikategorikan sebagai mobil mewah, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> seperti sebagai mobil sport dari Ferrari, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Lamborghini dan Porsche, meskipun Porsche 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Panamera bersaing dalam kemewahan high-end / 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> ukuran penuh kategori mewah.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>>
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >--- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> ><teddyr@> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi tidak mau 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> langsung mengaku dan orang yang berotak busuk, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> nista lagi menjijikan adalah orang yang 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> fikiran-fikirannya saling bertentangan dan hanya 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mementingkan glorifikasi pribadi sendiri.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil mewah di mana 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> unsur HARGA bukanlah satu-satunya kriteria. Semua 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> orang normal akan tahu bahwa Ferrari itu merk 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> sebuah mobil sport. 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya anda akan 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mampu merubah definisi yang diberikan WIKIPEDIA 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> hingga WIKIPEDIA mau meralat dan memasukan 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Ferrari sebagai salah satu mobil yang termasuk 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> dalam klasifikasi mobil mewah. Saya tantang anda 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> untuk melakukan hal itu terhadap WIKIPEDIA.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan apakah mereka 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> punya mata atau cuma baso doang.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > although the Porsche Panamera does compete in 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Bukan Pedanda" 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> <bukan.pedanda@> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena begitu jelas 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > dungunya, referensi   Teddy yang
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > adalah manusia oportunis berotak busuk, nista 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > lagi menjijikkan ini tentang mobil mewah:
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > termasuk kedalam kelas mobil
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. "
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > --- In proletar@yahoogroups.com, "Teddy S." 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > <teddyr@> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang yang merasa 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dirinya demikian pintar dan rajin menggugel 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dalam hal-hal lain, tapi masih ngotot dengan 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > definisinya sendiri atas "mobil-mobil mewah".
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada sedikit waktu, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > jadi bolehlah sedikit berbelas kasihan 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > meluangkan waktu untuk membantu membuka mata.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ---
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing term for a 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicle that provides luxury 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬" pleasant or 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > desirable features beyond strict 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > necessityÃÆ'¢â‚¬"at increased 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > expense (see: definition of luxury). The term 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > suggests a vehicle with greater equipment, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > performance, construction precision, comfort, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > design ingenuity, technological innovation, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > or features that convey brand image, cachet, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > status, or prestigeÃÆ'¢â‚¬"or 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > any other discretionary feature or 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > combination of features.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury market segments
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compact segment
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The premium compact segment[clarification 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > needed] or small-luxury class is relatively 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > new, having been initiated by several 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > European brands in the mid-2000s, and 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > constitute the least expensive offerings in 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > their lineups. These cars are targeted at a 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > niche market of young customers who have a 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > more refined taste in their automobiles and 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the means to pay for them.[citation needed] 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > By offering a smaller, lighter, more 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > fuel-efficient, and less expensive vehicle, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > this serves to introduce a younger customer 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to the luxury marque, in hopes of retaining 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the coveted customer loyalty.[citation 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > needed] This includes the Audi A3, BMW 1 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Lexus CT, and Mercedes-Benz B-Class.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compacts may share components with 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mass market cars from the marque's parent 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > company (the A3), and/or have less 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sophisticated platforms compared to upmarket 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles in the lineup (such as the B-Class). 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The body style tends to be a hatchback or 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact wagon, previously associated with 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economy cars but regaining popularity in the 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > United States for its afforded utility. The 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury branding and style, high-quality 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > interior materials, wide range of convenience 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features, and performance powertrains are key 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to distinguishing them from mass market 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equivalents (one mistake made by the Cadillac 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Cimarron) and making these appeal to 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > consumers.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The classification varies, for instance 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Consumer Guide Automotive in the US considers 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Audi A3 and A4 as part of the premium 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > compact segment due to similar size and MSRP, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > though these are known in Europe as a small 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > family car and a compact executive car, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > respectively.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Entry-level luxury/compact executive cars
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The entry-level luxury category is also known 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as the compact executive car in Britain and 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > (Mittelklasse in German). In the US, this 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > segment mostly includes the bottom vehicles 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the line-up of luxury brands as well as 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the top-of-the-line models of some non-luxury 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dimensionally, compact executive cars are 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smaller than mid-size/large family cars, and 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sometimes even smaller than compact cars. 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mass market compact cars typically use the 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economical front wheel drive transverse 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout, well suited to the inline-4 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine, which also maximizes interior room. 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Several compact executive cars are rear-wheel 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > drive with longitudinal engines, for improved 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > stability and handling, and in order to 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > accommodate the larger size of 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > higher-performance engines (straight-6, V6, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rarely V8), with four-wheel drive often being 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > available. Compact executive cars also tend 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > have more complicated independent 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > suspensions, sportier transmissions, and high 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > revolution engines that may require premium 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > gasoline. The more complex powertrain and 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mechanical layouts of compact executive cars 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > comes at increased cost and reduced interior 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > passenger and trunk space.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Compact executive cars include the Volvo S60, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Acura TSX, Lexus IS, BMW 3 Series, Audi A4, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Mercedes-Benz C-Class which particularly 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > emphasize sporty handling.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus ES, Acura 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > TL, Chrysler 300, and Buick LaCrosse are also 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered entry-level luxury in the United 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > States and Canada, being similar in price to 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz C-Class. 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > However, the ES, TL, and LaCrosse are not 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sold in Europe and do not fall under European 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury classifications. The ES and TL 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > actually began as badge engineered versions 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of the midsize Toyota Camry and Honda Accord, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > respectively, retaining the front wheel drive 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > transverse engine layout, whereas Toyota's 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > current Lexus IS does not share a platform 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > with mass market Toyota cars. The ES and TL 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are not considered executive cars either, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > despite similar dimensions, since executive 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars usually emphasize higher performance, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > often being rear-wheel drive with 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal engines. The present iterations 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of the ES and LaCrosse emphasize 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "comfortable, reasonably priced luxury", 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > while the TL has recently been targeted
>  at
> >>  the entry-level
> >> >> > > > > > > > >  luxury
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >>  sport market.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Recently, the entry-level luxury has been 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > very competitive, and there has been 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > price-overlapping with well-equipped 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > non-luxury cars. The bestselling vehicles of 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the marque are frequently compact executive 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars, such as the BMW 3 Series that makes up 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 40% of the vehicles that BMW sells worldwide.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mid-luxury/executive cars
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The mid-luxury segment are commonly referred 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to as executive cars in Britain, Obere 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mittelklasse in German, and Grandes 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > RoutiÃÆ'Æ'¨res in French. Examples 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > include the Volvo S80, BMW 5 Series, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz E-Class, and Jaguar XF
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Although having similar dimensions to 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-size cars and large family cars, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars are engineered and positioned 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as premium vehicles with better performance 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and technology amenities. There are also 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > higher development and production costs, as 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > many well-known mid-luxury cars use the 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal (usually front engine rear wheel 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > drive layout) engine mounting which affords 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > space for powerful engines such as a V8, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > instead of the more economical transverse 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout of mass market cars which are 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > restricted to inline-4 or V6. Executive cars 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > usually have lower sales and production 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > volumes compared to mid-size cars and large 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > family cars, as base trims with less 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equipment and smaller engines are not sold in 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > U.S. and Canadian markets. Also due to the 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > problem of steep depreciation, especially 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > concerning cars from less prestigious brands, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > most executive cars are produced by marques 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > that specialize in larger/more expensive
> >>  vehicles. Particularly in
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >>  the United States, the mid-luxury segment is 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> dominated by Mercedes-Benz and BMW, as executive 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> cars from lesser-known manufacturers such as 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> CitroÃÆ'Æ'«n and Infiniti have not had 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> much success.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this segment include the 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-range models of several luxury car 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > manufacturers. There are also some flagship 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sedans in this segment, such as the Acura RL 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Infiniti M. Executive cars such as the 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > BMW 5 Series are crucial to a luxury 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automaker's bottom line, and although not the 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > highest-selling model, they generate a 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > significant amount of profits due to the 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lucrative technology options.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury cars
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Also known as full-size luxury cars, grand 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > saloons, or premium large cars, while 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "Oberklasse" is used in Germany. Many of 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > these are the marque's showcases for the 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > newest automotive technology. Several 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > nameplates also offer long-wheelbase versions 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > that offer additional rear legroom and 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > amenities. Full-size luxury cars sold in 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Canada and the U.S. typically have 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-displacement V8 engines, though recently 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > some marques have offered six cylinder 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > powerplants but without much success.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this category include some of the 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > models from the flagship lines of luxury car 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands. Examples include the Audi A8, BMW 7 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus LS, Mercedes-Benz 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, and in the US, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Lincoln Town Car and Cadillac DTS.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ultra-luxury cars
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global automotive 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > information and marketing firm that provides 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > solutions to automotive and related 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > industries, has defined the term "super 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury" segment for luxury cars costing more 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > than US$100,000.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > This bracket includes the entire lineup of 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, Maybach, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Maserati, as these marques do not offer 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lower-priced offerings in the entry-level 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury or mid-luxury segments like more 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mainstream luxury brands like BMW and 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have attempted to 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > move downmarket somewhat with offerings 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > priced considerably lower than their 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > traditional offerings (Rolls Royce Phantom 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Bentley Mulsanne) such as the Rolls Royce 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ghost and the Bentley Continental GT, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > creating what Car and Driver describes as the 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "entry-opulent segment". Bentley, Maybach, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Rolls-Royce vehicles share platforms and 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engines with other luxury brands from their 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > parent auto company, however Rolls-Royce and 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Bentley are assembled in England (separate 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from the rest of BMW and Volkswagen Group's 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > production plants) and this "exclusivity" has 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > made these British marques a sales success. 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > By comparison, Maybachs are built alongside 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the Mercedes-Benz S-Class flagship sedan 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which has explained why it has not fared well 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the market, furthermore the Maybach's 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pedigree was virtually unknown outside of 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Germany unlike its British rivals which have 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > long enjoyed renown worldwide. A
> >>  Bentley executive was
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >>  quoted as saying "that the brand's exclusivity, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> history and obsessive luxury help to convince 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> customers that a Bentley is worth the price" which 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> is at least twice that of a flagship luxury car from 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> BMW or Mercedes-Benz.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The top-performing variants of flagship cars 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz are often 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > included here as well. They often have 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 12-cylinder (usually V12) engines for great 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > refinement and smoothness, even though 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > contemporary V8 engines can make similar 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > output while being less expensive. While BMW 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sells far fewer V12-engined 7-Series vehicles 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > than V8 versions, the V12 retains popularity 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the US, China, and Russia, as well as 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > maintaining the marque's prestige in the 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury vehicle market segment. These 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ultra-luxury trims also feature standard 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury and technology features that would be 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered optional on their V8 siblings.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > although the Porsche Panamera does compete in 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ---
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang diberikan 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > oleh WIKIPEDIA, Toyota bukanlah merk mobil 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mewah (baca lagi definisinya di atas) untuk 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kelas mobil mewah Toyota punya merk sendiri, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > yaitu L.... (cari sendiri jawabnya, jangan 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mau disuapin aja).
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA pada 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle:
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > although the Porsche Panamera does compete in 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the high-end luxury/full-size luxury category.
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > termasuk kedalam kelas mobil mewah, walau 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > harganya sendiri relatif mahal. Saat dulu 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berdiskusi dengan johny, kami sedang 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > memperbincangkan kenikmatan berkendaraan 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dengan akselerasi tinggi, bukannya 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > memperbincangkan mobil mewah. Baca lagi itu 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > tulisan. Mengutip kata-kata guru wanita SMA 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kami di Bandung dulu (kebetulan beliau 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > berdarah Ambon) yang mengajar pelajaran 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > bahasa Jerman: "Meneer, itu mata apa baso, 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Meneer?"
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Gaploki kepala sendiri 10 kali karena sudah 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > membuang waku orang untuk menerangkan sesuatu 
> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > yang bisa dicari sendiri.
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