Hehehe... apa di tv ditunjukin Soeharto digusur mahasiswa, atau Soeharto yg bilang dia mundur sendiri?
>________________________________ > From: johny_indon <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 8:49 AM >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, >katanya, tidak peduli..) > > > > > >ngga punya tv ya? >pantesan sok tau dan goblok. > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@...> wrote: >> >> Dungu, Soeharto itu mundur krn dikhianati oleh penjilat pantatnya yg antara >> lain bikin rusuh tgl 13-14 Mei 1998. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >> > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@...> >> >To: [email protected] >> >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 4:03 PM >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, >> >katanya, tidak peduli..) >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >oh gitu blek. >> >jadi suharto jatoh karena siapa? si juplik? >> > >> >bentar gua mau ke toilet dulu, ngedadak mules nih nahan ketawa. >> > >> >WKWKWKKWKWKWKKWKWKWKKWK! >> > >> >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> wrote: >> >> >> >> Cuma orang tolol yg bilang bhw yg ngejatohin orba itu adalah demo >> >> mahasiswa. >> >> >> >> Kalo ngeliat kelakuan mahasiswa, hehehe... mereka itu doyan saling >> >> tawuran antar sesama mahasiswa. Yg kayak gini ngejatohin orba? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >________________________________ >> >> > From: johny_indon <johny_indon@> >> >> >To: [email protected] >> >> >Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:34 AM >> >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah (Teddy bangsat itu, >> >> >katanya, tidak peduli..) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >buset dah. >> >> >lu itu ngerasa berjasa banget atas kejatuhan orba ya plik? >> >> >emang yg lu lakukan itu, ngobrolin soal indonesia sambil minum anggur, >> >> >lu anggap usaha yg luar biasa ya? >> >> > >> >> >semua orang indo tau yg menjatuhkan orba itu ya demo mahasiswa, bukan >> >> >gembel ngga jelas yg tinggal enak2 di belanda kayak elu. >> >> > >> >> >lu bayar pajak di indonesia aja kagak, mau sok merasa punya >> >> >kontribusi buat indonesia. >> >> >jangan2 lu ke luar negri juga pake duit negara ya plik? >> >> >lu itu manusia tak berguna, sebelum maupun setelah kejatuhan orba. >> >> >buat indonesia, elu adalah sampah yg bahkan ngga bisa di daur ulang. >> >> > >> >> >lu emang tua bangke yg ngga tau malu plik. >> >> > >> >> >--- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Pertama: menolak undangan bedebah, seerti yagn dilakukan item abu itu >> >> >> artinya tidak berdiam diri dihadapan kejahatan yang dilakukan bedebah >> >> >> itu. >> >> >> >> >> >> Kedua: sepanjang yang menyangkut kegiatan saya sejak tahun 1972 hingga >> >> >> Orde Naru jatuh, saya bisa bilang, disamping mendiang Ernst Utrecht >> >> >> dan sahabat saya Lim, saya adalah orang Indonesia yang dari negeri >> >> >> Belanda yang ikut mendukung usaha orang di Indonesia menjatuhkan Orde >> >> >> Baru. >> >> >> >> >> >> Saya tidak sekedar bersenang-senang di negeri orang menikmati jaminan >> >> >> sosial dan jaminan ksehatan yagn aduhai seperti anda yagn adalah >> >> >> manusia oportunis yang bertabiat busuk, nista lagi menjijikkan. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Ha ha ha. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Tidak datang memenuhi undangan dan membenturkan kepala sendiri ke >> >> >> > tembok itu sama-sama tak ada artinya. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Coba anda bercermin diri dan melihat apakah ada perubahan besar yang >> >> >> > telah terjadi di Indonesia yang merupakan hasil "perjuangan" anda >> >> >> > selama ini? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Di sini semuanya tidak gratis dan malahan saya masih menyumbang >> >> >> > orang lain. Sementara ada cukup banyak yang menjadi 'dole bludgers' >> >> >> > yang sebagiannya enak-enak berselancar tiap harinya. Anda kira >> >> >> > orang-orang ini pantas menerima santunan? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" <bukan.pedanda@> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > "item abu" menyatakan pendapatnya dengan tidak datang memenuhi >> >> >> > > undangan yang disampaikan kepadanya.. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Ini satu. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Yagn kedua: anda itu oportunis busuk, nisgtfa lagi menjijikkan >> >> >> > > karena anda enak-enak hidup di negeri yang punya jaminan sosial >> >> >> > > dan jaminan kesehatan yagn aduhai, hasil perjuangan orang yang >> >> >> > > peduli akan kesenjangan sosial, lalua nda bicara tentang mobil >> >> >> > > mewah dan anda tidak peduli dengan kejahatan yang dilakukan oleh >> >> >> > > para bedebah yang menjarah khasanah negara Indonsia - sembari >> >> >> > > merek menghina korban jarahannnnya yang jadi melarat dengan >> >> >> > > petatagng petiting dengan mobil mewah hasil jarahannya. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Anda itu betulk-betul adalah bangsat oppotunis busuk, nista lagi >> >> >> > > menjijikkan. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > Tidak usah jauh-jauh, tuh protege satu-satunya kebanggan anda >> >> >> > > > tidak berani mengungkapkan pendapatnya sendiri pada tetangga >> >> >> > > > yang tinggal di depan rumahnya. Itu yang jelas-jelas langkah >> >> >> > > > yang merupakan feedback langsung dan mungkin, ini sih masih >> >> >> > > > mungkin bisa memberikan perubahan. >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > Apa haknya saya mencampuri yang bukan wewenang saya karena >> >> >> > > > mereka tidak mewakili saya? Anda mau mencampuri, maka itu urusan >> >> >> > > > anda sendiri. >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > Saya membayar restribusi untuk semua fasilitas yang saya dan ibu >> >> >> > > > saya terima di Australia. Kalau dihitung hingga dengan sen-sen >> >> >> > > > yang dikeluarkan, maka kontribusi saya selama ini masih lebih >> >> >> > > > banyak daripada nilai fasilitas yang didapat. Jadi ini tidak >> >> >> > > > gratis dan saya malah menyumbang untuk orang lain selama ini. >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > Jadi fasilitas ini tidak gratis dan saya membayar penuh. >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" >> >> >> > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > Betul-betul bajingan tengik. >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > Betul-betul bangsat keparat. >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > Betul-betul manusia oportunis bertabiat busuk, nista lagi >> >> >> > > > > menjijikkan. >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > Bukan urusannya, katanya, pejabat Indonesia menjarah khasanah >> >> >> > > > > negara Indonesia dan menjadikan Indonesia dedel duwel lalu >> >> >> > > > > menghina korban jarahannnya yang dimelaratkannnya sembari >> >> >> > > > > petatang petiting pamer mobil mewah dan pamer kekayaan.. >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > Saat dia, Teddy, menikmati jaminan kesehatan yang aduhai di >> >> >> > > > > Austrlia, hasil perjuangan orang Australia yang seperti item >> >> >> > > > > abu peduli terhadap kesenjangan sosial. >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > Selanjutnya: tidak peduli dengan adanya kejahatan yang >> >> >> > > > > dilakukan pejabat bedebah di Indonesia itu hakekatnya berpihak >> >> >> > > > > kepada pejabat penjahat itu. >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > Ada perbedaan besar antara berfihak dan tidak peduli. >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" >> >> >> > > > > > <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > Asyik... >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > Sekarang Teddy berpihak kepada penguasa bedebah di >> >> >> > > > > > > Indonesia yang petatang petiting pamer hasil jarahan >> >> >> > > > > > > mereka... >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > Dan di Indonesia mobil mahal itu adalah sinonim dengan >> >> >> > > > > > > mobil mewah... >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." <teddyr@> >> >> >> > > > > > > wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > Gawat, si belegug ini kagak bisa menyimak. >> >> >> > > > > > > > Lu jelas-jelas terobsesi dengan mobil-mobil mewah di >> >> >> > > > > > > > mana lu punya definisi sendiri untuk yang namanya >> >> >> > > > > > > > mobil-mobil mewah. Buat lu asal harganya relatif mahal, >> >> >> > > > > > > > maka itu pastilah mobil mewah. Padahal mobil-mobil >> >> >> > > > > > > > pejabat yang lu recokin itu tidak termasuk kategori >> >> >> > > > > > > > mobil-mobil mewah dalam definisi standar seperti yang >> >> >> > > > > > > > disebutkan dalam WIKIPEDIA. >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > Gua dalam hal ini tidak terlibat. Hak sang pejabat untuk >> >> >> > > > > > > > punya mobil apapun juga. Gua sih sama sekali tidak >> >> >> > > > > > > > peduli karena bukan urusan gua. >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> >> >> >> > > > > > > > wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Hehehe.. si keparat Teddy ini muter2 lidah dan nambah >> >> >> > > > > > > > > dosanya dgn bikin fitnah baru. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Gua cuma minta si Teddy ngebuktikan ocehannya sendiri, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > lalu si Teddy ngoceh seolah2 gua pernah ngelarang dia >> >> >> > > > > > > > > make duitnya sendiri. Kapan tuh gua pernah ngelarang >> >> >> > > > > > > > > si Teddy make duitnya sendiri sesuka hatinya? Yg gua >> >> >> > > > > > > > > bilang adalah si Teddy adalah bajingan rakus dan >> >> >> > > > > > > > > serakah, bajingan yg ga peduli dgn orang lain, bukan >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ngelarang si Teddy make duit sesuka hatinya. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Udah jelas si Teddy ini ga bisa ngebuktikan ocehannya, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > tp dasar bajingan ga tau malu, dia msh ga mau ngaku >> >> >> > > > > > > > > bhw mulutnya adalah lobang taik, padahal dia sendiri >> >> >> > > > > > > > > yg bilang kalo orang ga bisa ngebuktikan omongannya, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > maka ybs itu bermulut lobang taik. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Emang tuh, dr mulut anjing ga akan tumbuh gading. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >________________________________ >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >To: [email protected] >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 7:03 AM >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >Gua kagak pernah secara explisit menyebut mobil-mobil >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >mewah seperti yang lu lakukan. Peduli amat dengan >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >orang-orang yang memilikinya, karena itu urusan >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >pribadi orang. Hak orang untuk punya dan yang pasti >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >duitnya bukan dari lu. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >--- In [email protected], item abu <itemabu@> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> Dan lu kaing2 gua terobsesi oleh mobil mewah. Dasar >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> mulut lobang taik lu ini. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >________________________________ >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > From: Teddy S. <teddyr@> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >To: [email protected] >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 4:45 AM >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >Subject: [proletar] Re: Definisi untuk mobil mewah >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >ÃÆ'‚ >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >Terjemahan dari google karena takutnya kesulitan >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >menterjemahkan: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ada mobil ultra-tinggi kinerja dari "merek >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> eksotis" yang juga melebihi US $ 100.000, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> tetapi belum tentu dikategorikan sebagai mobil >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> mewah, seperti sebagai mobil sport dari >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Ferrari, Lamborghini dan Porsche, meskipun >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Porsche Panamera bersaing dalam kemewahan >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> high-end / ukuran penuh kategori mewah. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >--- In [email protected], "Teddy S." >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> ><teddyr@> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sudah terbukti anda yang dungu tapi tidak mau >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> langsung mengaku dan orang yang berotak busuk, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> nista lagi menjijikan adalah orang yang >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> fikiran-fikirannya saling bertentangan dan hanya >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mementingkan glorifikasi pribadi sendiri. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Baca dengan cermat DEFINISI mobil mewah di mana >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> unsur HARGA bukanlah satu-satunya kriteria. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Semua orang normal akan tahu bahwa Ferrari itu >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> merk sebuah mobil sport. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Kalau memang anda cermerlang tentunya anda akan >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> mampu merubah definisi yang diberikan WIKIPEDIA >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> hingga WIKIPEDIA mau meralat dan memasukan >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Ferrari sebagai salah satu mobil yang termasuk >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> dalam klasifikasi mobil mewah. Saya tantang anda >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> untuk melakukan hal itu terhadap WIKIPEDIA. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> Sekali lagi untuk yang diragukan apakah mereka >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> punya mata atau cuma baso doang. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > although the Porsche Panamera does compete >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the high-end luxury/full-size luxury >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > category. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> --- In [email protected], "Bukan Pedanda" >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> <bukan.pedanda@> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > Saya kutip, tanpa komentar karena begitu jelas >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > dungunya, referensi Teddy yang >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > adalah manusia oportunis berotak busuk, nista >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > lagi menjijikkan ini tentang mobil mewah: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > "Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > termasuk kedalam kelas mobil >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > mewah, walau harganya sendiri relatif mahal. " >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > --- In [email protected], "Teddy S." >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > <teddyr@> wrote: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Aneh bin ajaib kalau ada orang yang merasa >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dirinya demikian pintar dan rajin menggugel >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dalam hal-hal lain, tapi masih ngotot dengan >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > definisinya sendiri atas "mobil-mobil mewah". >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mumpung masih pagi dan ada sedikit waktu, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > jadi bolehlah sedikit berbelas kasihan >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > meluangkan waktu untuk membantu membuka mata. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury vehicle is a marketing term for a >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicle that provides luxury >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬" pleasant or >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > desirable features beyond strict >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > necessityÃÆ'¢â‚¬"at >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > increased expense (see: definition of >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury). The term suggests a vehicle with >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > greater equipment, performance, construction >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > precision, comfort, design ingenuity, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > technological innovation, or features that >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > convey brand image, cachet, status, or >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > prestigeÃÆ'¢â‚¬"or any other >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > discretionary feature or combination of >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > features. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Luxury market segments >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compact segment >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The premium compact segment[clarification >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > needed] or small-luxury class is relatively >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > new, having been initiated by several >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > European brands in the mid-2000s, and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > constitute the least expensive offerings in >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > their lineups. These cars are targeted at a >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > niche market of young customers who have a >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > more refined taste in their automobiles and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the means to pay for them.[citation needed] >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > By offering a smaller, lighter, more >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > fuel-efficient, and less expensive vehicle, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > this serves to introduce a younger customer >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to the luxury marque, in hopes of retaining >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the coveted customer loyalty.[citation >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > needed] This includes the Audi A3, BMW 1 >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Series, Lexus CT, and Mercedes-Benz B-Class. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Premium compacts may share components with >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mass market cars from the marque's parent >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > company (the A3), and/or have less >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sophisticated platforms compared to upmarket >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles in the lineup (such as the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > B-Class). The body style tends to be a >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > hatchback or compact wagon, previously >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > associated with economy cars but regaining >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > popularity in the United States for its >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > afforded utility. The luxury branding and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > style, high-quality interior materials, wide >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > range of convenience features, and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > performance powertrains are key to >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > distinguishing them from mass market >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > equivalents (one mistake made by the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Cadillac Cimarron) and making these appeal >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to consumers. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The classification varies, for instance >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Consumer Guide Automotive in the US >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considers the Audi A3 and A4 as part of the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > premium compact segment due to similar size >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and MSRP, though these are known in Europe >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as a small family car and a compact >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive car, respectively. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Entry-level luxury/compact executive cars >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The entry-level luxury category is also >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > known as the compact executive car in >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Britain and (Mittelklasse in German). In the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > US, this segment mostly includes the bottom >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles in the line-up of luxury brands as >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > well as the top-of-the-line models of some >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > non-luxury brands. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dimensionally, compact executive cars are >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > smaller than mid-size/large family cars, and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sometimes even smaller than compact cars. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mass market compact cars typically use the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > economical front wheel drive transverse >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine layout, well suited to the inline-4 >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > engine, which also maximizes interior room. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Several compact executive cars are >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rear-wheel drive with longitudinal engines, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > for improved stability and handling, and in >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > order to accommodate the larger size of >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > higher-performance engines (straight-6, V6, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rarely V8), with four-wheel drive often >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > being available. Compact executive cars also >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > tend have more complicated independent >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > suspensions, sportier transmissions, and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > high revolution engines that may require >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > premium gasoline. The more complex >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > powertrain and mechanical layouts of compact >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars comes at increased cost and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > reduced interior passenger and trunk space. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Compact executive cars include the Volvo >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > S60, Acura TSX, Lexus IS, BMW 3 Series, Audi >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > A4, and Mercedes-Benz C-Class which >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > particularly emphasize sporty handling. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Other vehicles such as the Lexus ES, Acura >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > TL, Chrysler 300, and Buick LaCrosse are >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > also considered entry-level luxury in the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > United States and Canada, being similar in >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > price to the BMW 3 Series and Mercedes-Benz >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > C-Class. However, the ES, TL, and LaCrosse >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > are not sold in Europe and do not fall under >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > European luxury classifications. The ES and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > TL actually began as badge engineered >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > versions of the midsize Toyota Camry and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Honda Accord, respectively, retaining the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > front wheel drive transverse engine layout, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > whereas Toyota's current Lexus IS does not >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > share a platform with mass market Toyota >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars. The ES and TL are not considered >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars either, despite similar >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > dimensions, since executive cars usually >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > emphasize higher performance, often being >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > rear-wheel drive with longitudinal engines. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The present iterations of the ES and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > LaCrosse emphasize "comfortable, reasonably >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > priced luxury", while the TL has recently >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > been targeted >> at >> >> the entry-level >> >> >> > > > > > > > > luxury >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> sport market. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Recently, the entry-level luxury has been >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > very competitive, and there has been >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > price-overlapping with well-equipped >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > non-luxury cars. The bestselling vehicles of >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the marque are frequently compact executive >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > cars, such as the BMW 3 Series that makes up >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 40% of the vehicles that BMW sells worldwide. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mid-luxury/executive cars >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The mid-luxury segment are commonly referred >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to as executive cars in Britain, Obere >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mittelklasse in German, and Grandes >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > RoutiÃÆ'Æ'¨res in French. Examples >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > include the Volvo S80, BMW 5 Series, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz E-Class, and Jaguar XF >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Although having similar dimensions to >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-size cars and large family cars, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > executive cars are engineered and positioned >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > as premium vehicles with better performance >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and technology amenities. There are also >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > higher development and production costs, as >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > many well-known mid-luxury cars use the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > longitudinal (usually front engine rear >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > wheel drive layout) engine mounting which >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > affords space for powerful engines such as a >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > V8, instead of the more economical >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > transverse engine layout of mass market cars >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > which are restricted to inline-4 or V6. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Executive cars usually have lower sales and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > production volumes compared to mid-size cars >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and large family cars, as base trims with >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > less equipment and smaller engines are not >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sold in U.S. and Canadian markets. Also due >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > to the problem of steep depreciation, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > especially concerning cars from less >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > prestigious brands, most executive cars are >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > produced by marques that specialize in >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > larger/more expensive >> >> vehicles. Particularly in >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> the United States, the mid-luxury segment is >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> dominated by Mercedes-Benz and BMW, as executive >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> cars from lesser-known manufacturers such as >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> CitroÃÆ'Æ'«n and Infiniti have not had >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> much success. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this segment include the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-range models of several luxury car >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > manufacturers. There are also some flagship >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sedans in this segment, such as the Acura RL >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Infiniti M. Executive cars such as the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > BMW 5 Series are crucial to a luxury >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > automaker's bottom line, and although not >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the highest-selling model, they generate a >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > significant amount of profits due to the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lucrative technology options. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > High-end luxury/full-size luxury cars >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Also known as full-size luxury cars, grand >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > saloons, or premium large cars, while >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "Oberklasse" is used in Germany. Many of >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > these are the marque's showcases for the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > newest automotive technology. Several >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > nameplates also offer long-wheelbase >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > versions that offer additional rear legroom >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and amenities. Full-size luxury cars sold in >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Canada and the U.S. typically have >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mid-displacement V8 engines, though recently >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > some marques have offered six cylinder >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > powerplants but without much success. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Vehicles in this category include some of >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the models from the flagship lines of luxury >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > car brands. Examples include the Audi A8, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ, Lexus LS, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and in the US, the Lincoln Town Car and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Cadillac DTS. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Ultra-luxury cars >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > R.L. Polk and Company, a global automotive >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > information and marketing firm that provides >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > solutions to automotive and related >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > industries, has defined the term "super >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury" segment for luxury cars costing more >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > than US$100,000. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > This bracket includes the entire lineup of >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, Maybach, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Maserati, as these marques do not offer >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > lower-priced offerings in the entry-level >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury or mid-luxury segments like more >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mainstream luxury brands like BMW and >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Rolls Royce and Bentley have attempted to >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > move downmarket somewhat with offerings >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > priced considerably lower than their >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > traditional offerings (Rolls Royce Phantom >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > and Bentley Mulsanne) such as the Rolls >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Royce Ghost and the Bentley Continental GT, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > creating what Car and Driver describes as >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the "entry-opulent segment". Bentley, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Maybach, and Rolls-Royce vehicles share >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > platforms and engines with other luxury >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > brands from their parent auto company, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > however Rolls-Royce and Bentley are >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > assembled in England (separate from the rest >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > of BMW and Volkswagen Group's production >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > plants) and this "exclusivity" has made >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > these British marques a sales success. By >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > comparison, Maybachs are built alongside the >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Mercedes-Benz S-Class flagship sedan which >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > has explained why it has not fared well in >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the market, furthermore the Maybach's >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > pedigree was virtually unknown outside of >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Germany unlike its British rivals which have >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > long enjoyed renown worldwide. A >> >> Bentley executive was >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> quoted as saying "that the brand's exclusivity, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> history and obsessive luxury help to convince >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> customers that a Bentley is worth the price" which >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> is at least twice that of a flagship luxury car >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> from BMW or Mercedes-Benz. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > The top-performing variants of flagship cars >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Audi, BMW, and Mercedes-Benz are often >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > included here as well. They often have >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > 12-cylinder (usually V12) engines for great >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > refinement and smoothness, even though >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > contemporary V8 engines can make similar >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > output while being less expensive. While BMW >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > sells far fewer V12-engined 7-Series >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > vehicles than V8 versions, the V12 retains >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > popularity in the US, China, and Russia, as >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > well as maintaining the marque's prestige in >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > the luxury vehicle market segment. These >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > ultra-luxury trims also feature standard >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury and technology features that would be >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > considered optional on their V8 siblings. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > although the Porsche Panamera does compete >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the high-end luxury/full-size luxury >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > category. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > --- >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Jadi berdasarkan informasi yang diberikan >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > oleh WIKIPEDIA, Toyota bukanlah merk mobil >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mewah (baca lagi definisinya di atas) untuk >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > kelas mobil mewah Toyota punya merk sendiri, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > yaitu L.... (cari sendiri jawabnya, jangan >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > mau disuapin aja). >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Berdasarkan pernyataan WIKIPEDIA pada >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxury_vehicle: >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > There are ultra-high performance cars from >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > "exotic brands" that also exceed US$100,000, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > but would not necessarily be categorized as >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > luxury automobiles, such as the sports cars >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > from Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche, >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > although the Porsche Panamera does compete >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > in the high-end luxury/full-size luxury >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > category. >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > Dengan demikian bisa dikatakan Ferrari TIDAK >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > termasuk kedalam kelas mobil mewah, walau >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > harganya sendiri relatif mahal. 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