my P99 is very stable
1.4G P4 1G ram W2k

no anti virus, no norton, lots of other programs

Dennis Saputelli


Tony Karavidas wrote:
> 
> Jason, you crack me up. First you complain about bugs in Protel, then you
> say it's your IT guy's problem because he wants to patch the OS even when
> there is no visible problem. Patches == Bug fixes. You think all bugs are
> "visible?" Think again buddy. There are security holes, reliability issues,
> etc that may be hiding for months or years before the right set of
> conditions "expose" them. You don't want those fixed??
> 
> My P99 is also quite stable. I've said before on this list that I can't
> remember the last time it crashed. I don't do boards quite as large as you
> it seems, but I've done some pretty big ones before.
> 
> Why don't you rip up some key aspects of your design and post it somewhere
> for download so other's could see if they get the same crash with your
> board. (providing the part you ripped up didn't have an effect). Take off a
> dozen components and a dozen nets  and see if you still get the crash. If
> you do, would you feel confident that "we" could see your board without
> actually having anything of IP value?
> 
> Tony
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jason Morgan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 5:03 AM
> > To: 'Protel EDA Forum'
> > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Protel's Good/Bad points (WAS:Using 3D)
> >
> >
> > <SNIP A LOT>
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > First lets get something straight, I take offence at your questioning my
> > competence with Protel, I've been using it for a very long time and am
> > familiar with all of its usual weird behaviours (even though they
> > are still
> > unacceptable)
> >
> > The only reason we are using it at all, and not the latest Orcad (which we
> > also have and use) is down to my experience with Protel.
> >
> > Protel crashes, its protel's fault (even you admit that).  As for
> > not using
> > the bits that crash, I find the inability to print, save or load a file a
> > bit of an inconvenience.  And as for missing and misplaced entities on
> > plots, well
> > that's to be expected these days.... nothings perfect.
> >
> > Ok, yes I admit its got much better (so far as features go) since P98, but
> > at the expense of repeatable stability.
> >
> > ---------(A bit of background - you don't need to read this bit)
> > Our first dedicated cad machine was a 1GHz P4 with 1G RAM, it *ONLY* runs
> > Protel and win2K.
> >
> > We bought this as protel was pausing for more than 30 seconds per pin as a
> > result of an edit of through hole components, it was also crashing many
> > times a day.  EDA UK confirmed both these bugs and passed our design to
> > Protel for investigation.
> >
> > It seems that the crashing is usually down to known problems when
> > you have a
> > very large design >1000 components, many polys (these are the killer) and
> > many tracks on a mixed through hole / smt design.  The other
> > problem is down
> > to a bug with the on-line poly repour it seems to take ages when
> > you have a
> > large number of polys.
> >
> > All we do know is that an 1 hours lost work of one of our engineers costs
> > more than an extra gig of ram.
> >
> > A newer machine was bought for a 2nd engineer. This is a dual processor
> > 1.7GHz P4 with 1.5G RAM (at the time the fastest we could sensibly afford)
> >
> > Initially on the new machine all printing activity from within
> > Protel would
> > cause a crash, from experience we know that protel is very sensitive to
> > graphics cards (surely not the fault of protel), so changing it
> > sorted some
> > of the crashes (its now the same as the first machine)
> > ----------------------------
> >
> >
> > Protel still crashes, so what's going on?   Probably a fault of the IT guy
> > who (despite my advice) wants lots of patches installed under
> > windows, even
> > if there is no visible problem, anyway that's his problem.....
> >
> > So where am I going?
> >
> > Ah yes, Michael, as you machine seems to be so stable, perhaps you could
> > tell
> > everyone its build as its seems you've got it right.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > J.
> >

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