Jon
Mentor Boardstation for Sun platforms are not the same as Expedition
software I used yesterday.  Also pricing is different.  And yes you are
correct the router is barely usable.

Jim Vegh.....I will call you

Mike Reagan

>
> Amazing!  The Mentor stuff I've seen is NOT very intuitive.  We
> are using it
> on Sun workstations (also HP) for an IC design.
>
> > I probably could do 90
> > percent of my design by pulling down menus and selecting
> options.  That is
> > what I didn't like about it, it was too mouse dependant.
>
> Well, the IC design stuff also has menus, HUNDREDS of them, 15
> layers deep!
> You can do it all through menus, but you'd need a hierarchical
> chart the size
> of
> a billboard to figure out which menu the function you need is in!
>
> > The key to this software is the router.    I have posted many
> times over the
> > past several years how important the router is to pcb.
>
> Yes, you're preaching to the believers here, at least I think so.
>  The default
> router supplied with Protel 99SE is just barely usable.  Once in a while I
> get a pretty good result, usually when I start with an overly large board
> outline.  If I have it constrained to a small outline, or have a lot of
> mismatched grids (typical these days, with various SMT parts) it
> just makes
> a jumble.  I guess I'm getting a little better at configuring
> things to get
> nearly usable results, but I still need a lot of hand editing
> before the board
> is ready.  I'm hoping we will get a significant improvement on this!
>
> Jon
>

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